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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
Phat
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Message 10 of 277 (836634)
07-20-2018 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
07-20-2018 2:42 PM


The controversy within the media
You must mean this book.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 43 of 277 (836704)
07-21-2018 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Percy
07-21-2018 11:36 AM


Admin Phat minus cape
FYI I am moderating this thread.

Some things won't change...so I am light on the suspensions thus far. By the way, (non admin mode) I found Full transcript: New York University journalism professor Jay Rosen what likely is the journalism professor that Faith is referring to. (/non admin mode)

Faith does have sources that support her beliefs and suspicions...and in her defense, I will say that there are plenty of people who think as she does who can be linked as source material. Perhaps in regards to evidence, she does have a large segment of the US population that thinks as she does. As an administrator, I won't participate in this thread beyond this lone post. I hope that all of you can avoid name calling and derogatory speech. It makes our topics so much better to read.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 136 of 277 (836937)
07-24-2018 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by PaulK
07-24-2018 1:02 AM


Introducing Another Book
After attempting to moderate this thread, I feel now as if it is better to do so while still being a participant. I first want to say to Faith that you are being quite honest for a change in explaining your views and everyone else is by and large being cooperative also...allow me to attempt to steer us back on topic by introducing another book to support my observations.
The Righteous Mind

Granted this is a book review rather than the actual book, but it addresses some of the questions which Percy raises as he challenges Faith.

Some quotes from the review:

quote:
In “The ­Righteous Mind,” Haidt seeks to enrich liberalism, and political discourse generally, with a deeper awareness of human nature. Like other psychologists who have ventured into political coaching, such as George Lakoff and Drew Westen, Haidt argues that people are fundamentally intuitive, not rational. If you want to persuade others, you have to appeal to their sentiments.
Note that Faith started this topic to express the alternative viewpoint as she sees it.
quote:
Politics isn’t just about ­manipulating people who disagree with you. It’s about learning from them.
Faiths hope is that people might learn by reading Liars Leakers and Liberals: The Case Against the Anti-Trump Conspiracy.. I will say that people in this thread...all of you....might learn about Faith's reasoning for creating this thread by reading The Righteous Mind or at least as I did browse the review! So many books...so little time! A few more quotes from the review:

quote:
To the question many people ask about politics — Why doesn’t the other side listen to reason? — Haidt replies: We were never designed to listen to reason. When you ask people moral questions, time their responses and scan their brains, their answers and brain activation patterns indicate that they reach conclusions quickly and produce reasons later only to justify what they’ve decided.
Can we not all agree that we all reach conclusions rather quickly but for different reasons?

quote:
The problem isn’t that people don’t reason. They do reason. But their arguments aim to support their conclusions, not yours. Reason doesn’t work like a judge or teacher, impartially weighing evidence or guiding us to wisdom. It works more like a lawyer or press secretary, justifying our acts and judgments to others.

[moderator] Keep respecting each other and attempt to find common ground. Ive given up trying to force the topic to comment only on the book...taming EvC is as hard as taming a wild stallion![/moderator]


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 141 of 277 (836978)
07-25-2018 10:28 AM


Off Topic or nah?
I might comment that we are getting off topic. The topic isnt Trump. It is Liars Leakers and Liberals: The Case Against the Anti-Trump Conspiracy.. Perhaps these types of comments are better expressed in the Trump presidential thread. Comments?
Percy writes:

This comment is on-topic since it undoubtedly includes criticisms Pirro believes unfair and unprecedented but that can be easily supported.


If so, wouldn't it be better to focus on Pirros comments themselves?
ringo writes:

Yeah, sorry, I was thinking of Roseanne Barr.

Roseanne Barr is definitely off-topic, not to mention off the wall!

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 145 of 277 (837008)
07-25-2018 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Percy
07-25-2018 12:33 PM


Re: Off Topic or nah?
Percy writes:

You say the topic isn't Trump but about a book making the case against the anti-Trump conspiracy. A discussion about this book cannot help but include Trump. It must also include those entities the book charges as responsible for the conspiracy, namely the news media and the Democrats.

Point taken, gentlemen. This gets me back to Jonathan Haight. He warns us of what will happen if the Left and the Right don't get along!


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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