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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
Faith 
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Message 103 of 277 (836805)
07-22-2018 5:36 PM
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07-22-2018 5:34 PM


Re: Focus On This Topic
If you will not treat the opinions expressed on this thread with respect I recommend you go elsewhere.

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Message 106 of 277 (836810)
07-22-2018 6:08 PM
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07-22-2018 5:44 PM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
How silly can you get?

It ought to be obvious that the press has not avoided attacking Trump's family though that is usually considered to be off limits. If they are willing to sink that low then they would also use the family dog to further their ridiculous support of the ridiculous accusation of Russian collusion.

ABE: Their unconscionable attacks on trump's family have even provoked personal attacks on them by the public afflicted with "Trump derangement syndrome"

NOTHING THIS LOW HAS EVER BEFORE BEEN DONE TO A PRESIDENT'S FAMILY OR A PRESIDENT HIMSELF.

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Message 108 of 277 (836812)
07-22-2018 6:20 PM
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07-22-2018 6:16 PM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
No. The comparison is ludicrously out of proportion. No. THE LEVEL OF SLANDER AND FAKE NEWS AS WELL AS PUBLIC HATRED OF HIM AND HIS FAMILY HAS NEVER EVER BEFORE OCCURRED. NO. But the attack on his family is UNIQUE, NEVER EVER before has the press sunk so low.

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Faith 
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Message 110 of 277 (836816)
07-22-2018 8:15 PM
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07-22-2018 6:37 PM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
How silly can you get?

If the press can sink to attacking the family of a celebrity it can certainly make the family dog support their ridiculous accusation of collusion with Russia.

The press has become an enemy of public safety by provoking people to hatred and violence.


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Message 113 of 277 (836822)
07-22-2018 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Percy
07-22-2018 8:24 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
I don't have answers since I don't follow politics much these days, but I'm very sure conservatifves who keep up with these things do. Pirro probably does, so if I run across relevant comments I'll post them. Meanwhile my opinion is you are just falling for the leftist party line. You love to post long lists to promote the illusion you have lots of evidence. The lists you posted to prove me wrong on the last evolution thread I'd already answered but that doesn't stop you. It's an illusion you like to create and if fools you as much as anyone else.

ABE My guess would be that most of them are exaggerations, distortions, willful misunderstandings or the like.

EXCEPT FOR THE ONE ABOUT MUSIM IMMIGRATION. Restricting it is the only sane thing to do and criticizing it is suicidal..

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Faith 
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Message 115 of 277 (836824)
07-22-2018 9:17 PM
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07-22-2018 8:51 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
My guess would be that most of them are exaggerations, distortions, willful misunderstandings or the like.

And what makes this a really good guess in my opinoni is that this is how most of my posts are treated here at EvC. If I don't get a break, or any other conservative or creationist, it's certain that Trump won't.


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Faith 
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Message 118 of 277 (836832)
07-23-2018 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Capt Stormfield
07-22-2018 9:38 PM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
First of all, thank you for writing a substantive post instead of just calling me names.

Second, I want to ask if you think the incidents in which Trump family and staff have been accosted by the public or turned out at restaurants and that sort of thing have anything to do with the press and if you think that's all acceptable treatment?

In general do you believe there is an unusually high level of public animosity against this President and those associated with him generated by the press and do you approve of it?

I think the press has a basic obligation to serve the public peace but that since Trump was elected they seem determined to whip people into a frenzy of hatred against him and against the half of the country that voted for him. Agree or disagree?

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Message 127 of 277 (836900)
07-24-2018 12:42 AM
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07-23-2018 11:48 AM


Re: What is the evidence to support the assertions made in the second paragraph.
It isn't slander. It's his own words that condemn him.

It's his literal words taken out of context, misquoted, twisted to mean something entirely different, headlined in a way to imply something they are not and so on. That you all can't see this is very sad. Marc9000 is doing a creditable job of trying to describe this on the Trump Bashing Thread.


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Faith 
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Message 129 of 277 (836903)
07-24-2018 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Percy
07-23-2018 11:16 AM


Re: Focus On The Book
No I don't follow the news. I see headlines on the internet, sometimes I read part of the story. Sometimes I hear it on the car radio when I'm being driven somewhere. I get the basic gist of some things. and I see some of what gets written on the Trump Bashing Thread which makes me sick. I cannot stomach what the Left is doing to him and to the nation, I really can't. I have to shut it out or it will kill me.

Sometimes I wish I were up on this so I could argue it but I can't do it and that is that. I wanted the thread to represent an alternative view to the Trump Bashing Thread, but forget it. You win, I lose, the Left wins, the nation loses.


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Faith 
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Message 147 of 277 (837024)
07-25-2018 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Taq
07-25-2018 5:09 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
My position is that there IS a conspiracy to attack Trump against all the rules of journalism and common decency because the majority of journalists are leftist. The "criticism" is so far out of bounds it's ridiculous to ask if I don't want him to be criticized at all: he's criticized incessantly, constantly, in such a way that it is impossibly to ignore how much the press hates ME and all his supporters, but they don't seem to care about that or about anything except imposing their leftist views on the nation. I think it was Pew Research that showed that Trump is getting at least twice the amount of negative press of any other President ever or something like that, even conservative Presidents. Insisting that this is merely what Trump deserves is just leftist blindness.

This idea that we're pushing the idea that Trump "cannot be questioned" is beyond absurd in this political atmosphere. He isn't being "questioned" he's being subjected to slander, fake news, character assassination, taking his words out of context, refusing to give him the slightest benefit of the doubt, spinning everything he says to bring him under the black cloud of Political Correctness. It is so obvious to any conservative who has any contact whatever with the news, what's amazing is that nobody on the left can see it at all.

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Faith 
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Message 149 of 277 (837028)
07-25-2018 5:31 PM
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07-25-2018 5:28 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
I can't prove it because anything I point out gets rationalized away as if it's just normal criticism. If you can't SEE that everywhere you turn there is NOTHING BUT attacks on everything from big issues to trivia I'm not going to be able to convince you. The work it would take to exd
plain every little thing that's been spun out of context to mean something negative about Trump would take me hours. All I can do is say conservatives see it, why don't you?

You don't seem to understand that FACTS can be spun, that they can be taken out of context, that there have been fake news facts already that have been shown to have been invented. Marc9000 has described this to some extent. Headlines are just about always skewed to give some negative impression that is unnecessary. Over and over some minor personality is reported to have said something negative about Trump as if that person's opinion matters, totally unnecessary and tendentious but probably influential with a lot of people. ANYTHING negative seems to be the journalistic standard these days.

Sometimes I wish I could devote my life to trying to prove these things but I've got too many other things to devote my life to and I've learned by sad experience that no matter how much work I put into my arguments nobody here accepts any of it anyway.

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Faith 
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Message 151 of 277 (837032)
07-25-2018 5:39 PM
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07-25-2018 5:35 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
Oh gosh, did it every occur to me? I give up.

Hey the Liberal Nazis win, the Lefty Fascists win. Down we go.

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Message 156 of 277 (837037)
07-25-2018 5:49 PM
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07-25-2018 5:46 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
You have NO idea.

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Message 160 of 277 (837052)
07-26-2018 8:16 AM
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07-25-2018 6:25 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
You sure seem to know a lot about the news for someone who doesn't read the news. Any examples of any of this?

I know enough to have an opinion, not enough to muster the evidence. I don't have the energy for it or the optimism that it would make any difference if I did. In my experience the examples are everywhere every day, there is no avoiding them, so your merely asking me to produce them does not bode well for any effort I might make. You produce "evidence" that you may be convinced of but it's the sort of thing that could be the result of all kinds of distortions and at least contrary interpretations. I'm sure Trump is at fault in many ways but I'm also sure that the reality is far exceeded by the conspiracy to make it out to be far worse than it is. Sorry, no evidence.

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Message 161 of 277 (837054)
07-26-2018 8:26 AM
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07-26-2018 8:16 AM


the problem
Here's an example of the problem: how do I prove that the remarks Trump has made that are called racist aren't in fact racist? I know they are not, yes I know it, but the spin is very convincing to some, I can't counter that kind of propaganda, there is no evidence that could possibly accomplish that. Yet you keep demanding evidence. The charge of racism is Leftist Political Correctness character assassination aimed at destroying the opposition. I know that but convincing you is hardly likely.

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