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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
NoNukes
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Message 166 of 277 (837083)
07-26-2018 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
07-26-2018 8:26 AM


Re: the problem
Here's an example of the problem: how do I prove that the remarks Trump has made that are called racist aren't in fact racist? I know they are not, yes I know it, but the spin is very convincing to some

You cannot prove it just by saying that you know it. What you would do instead is offer an argument for your position. Your argument might include an explanation of why the examples of racism others present are not racism, examples of things he has done that indicate that he is not racist, and arguments that he did not do the racist things.

Of course, you might expect rebuttals of your arguments. You could try to rebut the rebuttals. I would expect that if the discussion ever got that far, you'd have long since returned to just calling us Liberal Nazi fascists and claiming that we were trying to shut you up using Maoist tactics.

So it is probably not worth the trouble of going through all of that. Just do you.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Message 167 of 277 (837085)
07-26-2018 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by NoNukes
07-26-2018 4:39 PM


Re: the problem
It's not worth it.

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NoNukes
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Message 168 of 277 (837086)
07-26-2018 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
07-26-2018 5:02 PM


Re: the problem
It's not worth it.

I know. That begs the question of why you are here posting in debate forums when debating is not what you care to do. Wouldn't you be happier exchanging words with like-minded people who already believe exactly as you do?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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ringo
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Message 169 of 277 (837088)
07-26-2018 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by NoNukes
07-26-2018 5:16 PM


Re: the problem
NoNukes writes:

Wouldn't you be happier exchanging words with like-minded people who already believe exactly as you do?


Then what will she do with the brick that she normally stores on top of her caps-lock key?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 170 of 277 (837100)
07-26-2018 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by NoNukes
07-26-2018 5:16 PM


Re: the problem
No, it's those who disagree with me who need to hear the opposing point of view.

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jar
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Message 171 of 277 (837101)
07-26-2018 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:32 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

No, it's those who disagree with me who need to hear the opposing point of view.

Agreed, so why do you never bring anything but unsupported assertions, innuendo, misrepresentation and patently false material?

To convince anyone you need to bring something with substance and worth.


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ringo
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Message 172 of 277 (837102)
07-26-2018 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:32 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

No, it's those who disagree with me who need to hear the opposing point of view.


Why does there have to be an "opposing" point of view at all? Why can't you grasp the idea of looking at the news objectively, without a lot of preconceived ideological baggage?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Chiroptera
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Message 173 of 277 (837103)
07-26-2018 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:32 PM


Re: the problem
Well, the only reason I bother with the internet is to interact with "opposing points of view". It would be a shame if you weren't around any more.


What do you despise? By this are you truly known. -- Frank Herbert

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Faith 
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Message 174 of 277 (837104)
07-26-2018 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by ringo
07-26-2018 6:39 PM


Re: the problem
I could certainly ask my opponents the same question. Very few of the "facts" that are reported in the news stand as simple facts.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith 
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Message 175 of 277 (837105)
07-26-2018 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by jar
07-26-2018 6:35 PM


Re: the problem
For reasons I believe I've given clearly enough, I'm content if I can simply state my opinion to get it on the table.

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ringo
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Message 176 of 277 (837106)
07-26-2018 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:43 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

I could certainly ask my opponents the same question. Very few of the "facts" that are reported in the news stand as simple facts.


I've told you before, I only go by Trump's own words. I don't pay any attention to commentators.

Out of his own mouth and tweety-fingers, he's an idiot, a racist, a misogynist, a liar, an ignoramus, etc. If news sources, fake or otherwise have noticed the same thing, that might be because it's true.

And by the way, I actually agree with Trump on a couple of things, so don't accuse me of being an ideologue.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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jar
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Message 177 of 277 (837107)
07-26-2018 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:46 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

For reasons I believe I've given clearly enough, I'm content if I can simply state my opinion to get it on the table.

No one has ever questioned the fact that you have an opinion but the issue is "Why do you hold that opinions? What is the evidence to support such an opinion or give it any validity beyond just being your opinion?"

Edited by jar, : fix quote


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NoNukes
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Message 178 of 277 (837108)
07-26-2018 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:46 PM


Re: the problem
For reasons I believe I've given clearly enough, I'm content if I can simply state my opinion to get it on the table.

Based on your whining about your reception, we know that you are not content. But why start a whole new thread if you don't really want to discuss anything? You could have posted this stuff to one of the existing threads.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Faith 
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Message 179 of 277 (837109)
07-26-2018 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by ringo
07-26-2018 6:55 PM


Re: the problem
I've told you before, I only go by Trump's own words. I don't pay any attention to commentators.
Out of his own mouth and tweety-fingers, he's an idiot, a racist, a misogynist, a liar, an ignoramus, etc.

This is naïve at best. It is Trump's own words that get misinterpreted, taken out of context and so on. This happens to me ALL THE TIME here, I mean ALL the time, the times anyone gets what I mean add up to about, oh, half a dozen over all the years I've posted here, so there's nothing odd about it happening to Trump, especially when those reporting on him or reacting to him hold a leftist worldview that completely opposes his worldview.

If news sources, fake or otherwise have noticed the same thing, that might be because it's true.

Not with a leftist press, no.

And by the way, I actually agree with Trump on a couple of things, so don't accuse me of being an ideologue.

Well, but the rest of what you said is pretty standard leftist.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 180 of 277 (837110)
07-26-2018 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Faith
07-26-2018 8:10 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

It is Trump's own words that get misinterpreted, taken out of context and so on.


How can I misinterpret what I actually see him say on video? What did I misinterpret when he said he had the largest crowd ever on inauguration day? What has that got to do with my worldview?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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