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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
Faith 
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Message 167 of 277 (837085)
07-26-2018 5:02 PM
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07-26-2018 4:39 PM


Re: the problem
It's not worth it.

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Message 170 of 277 (837100)
07-26-2018 6:32 PM
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07-26-2018 5:16 PM


Re: the problem
No, it's those who disagree with me who need to hear the opposing point of view.

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Message 174 of 277 (837104)
07-26-2018 6:43 PM
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07-26-2018 6:39 PM


Re: the problem
I could certainly ask my opponents the same question. Very few of the "facts" that are reported in the news stand as simple facts.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 175 of 277 (837105)
07-26-2018 6:46 PM
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07-26-2018 6:35 PM


Re: the problem
For reasons I believe I've given clearly enough, I'm content if I can simply state my opinion to get it on the table.

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Message 179 of 277 (837109)
07-26-2018 8:10 PM
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07-26-2018 6:55 PM


Re: the problem
I've told you before, I only go by Trump's own words. I don't pay any attention to commentators.
Out of his own mouth and tweety-fingers, he's an idiot, a racist, a misogynist, a liar, an ignoramus, etc.

This is naïve at best. It is Trump's own words that get misinterpreted, taken out of context and so on. This happens to me ALL THE TIME here, I mean ALL the time, the times anyone gets what I mean add up to about, oh, half a dozen over all the years I've posted here, so there's nothing odd about it happening to Trump, especially when those reporting on him or reacting to him hold a leftist worldview that completely opposes his worldview.

If news sources, fake or otherwise have noticed the same thing, that might be because it's true.

Not with a leftist press, no.

And by the way, I actually agree with Trump on a couple of things, so don't accuse me of being an ideologue.

Well, but the rest of what you said is pretty standard leftist.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 181 of 277 (837111)
07-26-2018 8:17 PM
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07-26-2018 8:16 PM


Re: the problem
He believed what he said.

Please don't overgeneralize what I say, there are always exceptions. You are doing to me what is done to Trump by coming up with that example that ISN'T about worldview.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 183 of 277 (837114)
07-26-2018 8:45 PM
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07-26-2018 8:35 PM


Re: the problem
He believed what he said. Trump makes mistakes, he misstates things, he's not careful about his words as he should be, he's not cautious enough in the face of what he should know by now about his opposition, but most of us who voted for him think he's basically honest, we know he is not a racist and that those accusations are spun from illconsidered comments that have nothing to do with race, and we think he really cares about the things he supported in his campaign speeches, which we also care about. It's too bad he's got moral problems with women but if you compare him to Clinton or Kennedy I'm not sure he's worse than either of them and the main difference is that the press left them alone for the most part, but they're ravening wolves against Trump.

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Message 188 of 277 (837147)
07-27-2018 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Percy
07-27-2018 6:23 PM


Re: the problem
There are those who would argue with you about those things but I think I'll just cut to the chase:

It's too bad then that Trump was the only candidate among the Republicans who spoke for conservative middle America, all the others being mealy-mouthed or RINOs or liberals in Republican garb. And we still see him as sincerely on our side. The ONLY one we've ever heard "tell it like it is" from our point of view. Even the conservatives who are less than thrilled with him as a personality still feel that way about his platform.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 190 of 277 (837149)
07-27-2018 7:33 PM
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07-27-2018 6:52 PM


Re: the problem
Do you doubt that conservatives feel this way about his political stance?

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Message 192 of 277 (837152)
07-27-2018 8:13 PM
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07-27-2018 8:07 PM


Re: the problem
You're talking about the half of the country that voted for Trump. I don't think you'd much like the adjectives i'd attach to the other half of the country, so perhaps we shouldn't go there.

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Message 195 of 277 (837155)
07-27-2018 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Percy
07-27-2018 8:47 PM


Re: the problem
Golly gosh, that must be why the other half of the country was so blindsided by Trump's win, just no clue to how he appealed to so many of us. And still does.

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Message 199 of 277 (837169)
07-28-2018 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Percy
07-28-2018 8:22 AM


Re: the problem
The more you trash the man the more those on my side just regroup against you. The man is human, with a sincere love of America that we don't see on the Left, and a sincere desire to "make America great again" which is far from the Left's thinking, and his ideas about how to do that might not be feasible but his desire to bring them about makes him a good guy.

If there hadn't been such a steep slide from old fashioned liberal Democrats to frank Marxist-Communist anti-Americanism since the sixties, we might not have had to be content with a flawed man like Trump. But he IS the only one who sees these things as we do.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 201 of 277 (837172)
07-28-2018 11:00 AM
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07-28-2018 10:48 AM


Re: the problem
You can argue all you like, that isn't going to change how supporters of Trump see him.

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Message 205 of 277 (837178)
07-28-2018 11:43 AM
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07-28-2018 11:39 AM


Re: the problem
Keep up the politically correct character assassination and you just keep widening the political chasm. that kind of rhetoric has also been provoking the anti-Trump violence that is still happening.

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Message 206 of 277 (837179)
07-28-2018 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Chiroptera
07-28-2018 11:36 AM


Re: the problem
See my comment above. You are just indulging in politically correct slander which does not serve the interests of anybody, let alone the nation.

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