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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
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Message 154 of 277 (837035)
07-25-2018 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Faith
07-25-2018 5:39 PM


Re: Focus On The Book
Faith writes:

Oh gosh, did it every occur to me?


No, nothing ever occurs to you. It's your most noticable characteristic.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 169 of 277 (837088)
07-26-2018 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by NoNukes
07-26-2018 5:16 PM


Re: the problem
NoNukes writes:

Wouldn't you be happier exchanging words with like-minded people who already believe exactly as you do?


Then what will she do with the brick that she normally stores on top of her caps-lock key?

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Message 172 of 277 (837102)
07-26-2018 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:32 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

No, it's those who disagree with me who need to hear the opposing point of view.


Why does there have to be an "opposing" point of view at all? Why can't you grasp the idea of looking at the news objectively, without a lot of preconceived ideological baggage?

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Message 176 of 277 (837106)
07-26-2018 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
07-26-2018 6:43 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

I could certainly ask my opponents the same question. Very few of the "facts" that are reported in the news stand as simple facts.


I've told you before, I only go by Trump's own words. I don't pay any attention to commentators.

Out of his own mouth and tweety-fingers, he's an idiot, a racist, a misogynist, a liar, an ignoramus, etc. If news sources, fake or otherwise have noticed the same thing, that might be because it's true.

And by the way, I actually agree with Trump on a couple of things, so don't accuse me of being an ideologue.


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Message 180 of 277 (837110)
07-26-2018 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Faith
07-26-2018 8:10 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

It is Trump's own words that get misinterpreted, taken out of context and so on.


How can I misinterpret what I actually see him say on video? What did I misinterpret when he said he had the largest crowd ever on inauguration day? What has that got to do with my worldview?

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ringo
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Message 182 of 277 (837113)
07-26-2018 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
07-26-2018 8:17 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

He believed what he said.


You don't know that. You're the one who is misinterpreting and distorting.

What he said could mean he can't count. It could be a bold-faced lie. It could be narcissistic wishful thinking. It could be just a childish blurt.

There could be some overlap.

There's almost no possible interpretation that makes him look like somebody you'd want in charge of the noodles.


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ringo
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Message 185 of 277 (837129)
07-27-2018 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
07-26-2018 8:45 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

He believed what he said.


You don't know that.

Faith writes:

Trump makes mistakes, he misstates things, he's not careful about his words as he should be, he's not cautious enough in the face of what he should know by now about his opposition, but most of us who voted for him think he's basically honest...


So, incompetent but honest. I suppose you wouldn't object to an incompetent heart surgeon, as long as he was honest.

Faith writes:

... we know he is not a racist...


Frankly, I couldn't care less if he's a racist. As I've said before, I'm a racist. I'm not proud of it but I'm honest about it and I'm trying to get better.

I'd have more respect for Trump if he was honestly racist.


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Message 204 of 277 (837177)
07-28-2018 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Faith
07-28-2018 11:00 AM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

You can argue all you like, that isn't going to change how supporters of Trump see him.


That's the problem. They have no interest in the truth.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 207 of 277 (837182)
07-28-2018 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Faith
07-28-2018 11:43 AM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

Keep up the politically correct character assassination and you just keep widening the political chasm.


You've already shown us what causes the political chasm. It's people who will not be moved no matter what. The rest of the world can not move forward without moving away from them.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 209 of 277 (837189)
07-28-2018 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Faith
07-28-2018 12:15 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

One shouldn't move from the right position....


That assumes perfection. There's room for improvement in everybody, Trump, the Ku Trump Klan and even you.

Again. the chasm is caused by those of you who think you're already perfect refusing to change in any way.


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Message 218 of 277 (837211)
07-28-2018 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Faith
07-28-2018 2:46 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

But saying that Trump could come shoot their children is just off the wall; no discussion is possible after that kind of comment.


That's just a variation on Trump's own statement.

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Message 237 of 277 (837262)
07-29-2018 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Faith
07-29-2018 12:11 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

... you are only alienating honest people and there is no closing of the political chasm possible.


You said yourself that Trump's supporters will never budge. Of course the chasm will never be closed as long as you insist on all of the movement coming from one side. You're obviously not interested in closing any chasm. You just want to be right.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 258 of 277 (837317)
07-30-2018 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Faith
07-29-2018 6:48 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

Of course we aren't going to budge on the twisting of his words and the fake news reports.


As I keep telling you, there's no twisting. I'm talking about Trump's own words, as recorded on video. We can see what he said. Stop the nonsense about twisting.

For example, he did say that he had the biggest inaugural crowd in history. You can not deny that. There is no twisting.

Is he numerically challenged? Do we want a President who can't count?

Did he misspeak and doesn't have the courage to admit he was wrong? Do we want a coward for a President?

Is he a bold-faced liar?

If there is any good spin that you can put on that one claim, please tell us what it is instead of accusing us of using spin.

And when you're finished dealing with that one example, there are plenty more.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 260 of 277 (837319)
07-30-2018 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Faith
07-29-2018 8:50 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

This is character assassination....


We can't assassinate what isn't alive. You'd need to show examples of good character first.

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ringo
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Message 265 of 277 (837329)
07-30-2018 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Faith
07-30-2018 11:47 AM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

You are denying that even a direct quote can be distorted by being taken out of context...


Yes indeed, I am. If you can show how a statement that 2 + 2 = 5 can be taken out of context, fire away.

Faith writes:

... even a comment like his claim of having the biggest inaugural audience if only a misimpression is being blown out of proportion...


I told you what the implications are: he's incompetent with numbers, he's afraid to admit that he made a mistake, he's a liar, or maybe something else. None of those are "out of proportion". It's important to have a President with none of those faults. Would you hire an accountant who couldn't count?

Faith writes:

... the exact same things said and done by other Presidents.


Other Presidents are irrelevant. You don't hire a pilot who can't see even if the previous pilot couldn't see. You don't hire an accountant who steals even though the previous accountant also stole.

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