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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Department of Homeland Security chief Kirstjen Nielsen today commented about 2016 election meddling at the DHS National Cybersecurity Summit: "Let me be clear: Our intelligence community had it right. It was the Russians."
This is good to hear after all of Trump's recently waffling (I think his last flip-flop had him saying it wasn't the Russians), but later Nielsen said, "No actual votes were changed in 2016." That's absurd. A guy was actually convinced that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring out of a pizza shop by fake news on social media, to such an extent that he got his gun and shot up the place. Convincing people to vote a certain way has got to be much easier. Of course votes were changed. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Percy writes: Of course votes were changed. You seem to totally misunderstand reality. Changing votes BEFORE they are cast is fine. It's only a problem when you change votes after they are cast.
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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
The Washington Post has updated their Trump Fact Checker to July 31, 2018 (it had been May 31, 2018): In 558 days, President Trump has made 4,229 false or misleading claims. Here's the graph of accumulated false and misleading statements:
At their webpage the graph can also display in daily and monthly formats. Most repeated claim? In it's most recent form, here it is:
quote: Collusion won't be the legal term used in any indictments, but collusion (a sort of catchall term) is definitely a crime.Needless to say, much evidence has emerged of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, and there's been no evidence of any contact between the Clinton campaign and Russia. --Percy
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
It appears that Charles Koch and Donald Trump don't like each other.
I'm reminded of the tag line from the movie Aliens vs Predator: No matter who wins, we all lose.Oh, God! Pride of Man, broken in the dust again! -- Quicksilver Messenger Service
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Taq Member Posts: 9944 Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Percy writes: Collusion won't be the legal term used in any indictments, but collusion (a sort of catchall term) is definitely a crime. Trump might as well say that driving the getaway car for a bank robbery is not a crime because driving is not a crime.
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Koch brothers each have a net worth over $50 billion dollars. il Donald MAYBE $3 billion. il Donald says the Koch Brothers are a joke.
Maybe a HUGE joke? Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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Taq Member Posts: 9944 Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
In case you weren't already worried about the mental capacity of the person leading the US . . .
Apparently, Trump thinks the F-35 fighter jet is literally invisible. Trump seems to think F-35 is literally invisible in flight | Ars Technica Trump also thinks that you need an ID to buy groceries: Trump claims you need ID to buy groceries. You do not. | CNN Politics
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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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jar writes: The Koch brothers each have a net worth over $50 billion dollars. il Donald MAYBE $3 billion. I tried looking into the "MAYBE $3 billion" part. The $3 billion figure is at the low end of various independent estimates, though that's what Forbes estimates. Also according to Forbes Trump has claimed figures like $8.7 billion and more than $10 billion, but because Trump lies about most everything we know any estimate he provides can't be trusted and should be ignored. This Wikipedia article about The Trump Organization comments on the problems of estimating its value:
quote: The Trump properties are undoubtedly worth a great deal, but Trump also has mortgages. Mortgages are a matter of public record since they result in liens being publicly recorded on properties, so any independent estimates of his wealth would take into account both his assets and his mortgage liabilities, and so one would think these independent estimates would be pretty close to the mark. But the ability of the rich to hide information and to just get away with stuff means there is much not publicly known about the Trump empire, so I don't trust the independent estimates of Trump's net worth. Trump's obsequiousness before anything Russian is more than suspicious, it's a blaring alarm. There must be a reason. My best guess (and I think the simplest) is that he owes billions to Russian oligarchs. It's impossible to know Trump's actual net worth, but I'm thinking a figure less than zero, and that it will all come crashing down once he's out of office and the lawsuits start piling up. AbE: I just came across a 2016 Vanity Fair article that asks if Donald Trump is really a billionaire, recounting some things we already knew but probably no longer recall since this was a couple years ago:
quote: --Percy Edited by Percy, : AbE.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Another case that is proceeding against the President is the one alleging that he's in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.
This and any trial involving Cohen will directly involve Trump's finances, which means that his records may be subpoenaed. And although Manafort's trial doesn't bear directly on Trump, it will expose the seedy underbelly of the types of financial shenanigans that Trump's circle engages in.
Time Magazine suggests that it's the potential exposure of his finances that has Trump all worked up over this "witch hunt".Oh, God! Pride of Man, broken in the dust again! -- Quicksilver Messenger Service
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Chiroptera writes: Time Magazine suggests that it's the potential exposure of his finances that has Trump all worked up over this "witch hunt". Yup. Follow the money. Who holds the notes; who made the loans; what is getting laundered. It's not public opinion Trump fears, or even criminal charges, it is threats to assets.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1492 From: Ky U.S. Joined: |
marc9000 writes: I heard somewhere that sanctuary cities tend to work pretty hard to get them registered. You heard? Got a shred of evidence? Non-citizens will start voting soon in San Francisco – Orange County Register
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quote: quote: In short, I hope every leftist keeps claiming that there is no desire for illegals to vote, and that the mainstream media isn't biased. And we'll see how the elections go this November.
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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
For the third time in four years the US has won the International Mathematical Olympiad in which teams of high schoolers from countries around the world compete. Many of the team members are second and third generation immigrants.
Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Your claim is that lefties are working hard to get illegals to vote. Let's see if you did anything to address that claim.
1. You gave a quote citing that there were few safeguards in place to keep illegals from voting in San Francisco. Are there any particular safeguards in place in North Carolina, for example? Is this really on point anyway? You quote something saying that someone could vote illegally because it is not required that you show a social security card or state id to register. Let's see if the state does check for illegal immigrants. But before I do this, again, at best you are providing evidence of slackness. First of all, all you are citing is the requirement for the assigned number and not the documents that are required to prove residency and citizenship. Your application is reviewed by the County Elections Office. Secondly, if you are a new voter and you register without showing a driver's license or social security number, then you will be required to provide identification at the time of voting. So both your poorly researched claims and purported evidence are easily seen to be incorrect. Here are the actual requirements to vote:
quote: Where is the effort to allow illegals to vote marc9000? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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According to US Code (not just San Fransisco or California) no illegal aliens are allowed to vote in Federal Elections. Period.
BUT if you look at the US Code Title 18 611 non-citizens are allowed to vote on certain local issues like the example Marc posted where there is a movement to allow undocumented immigrants to vote for school board members. US Code Title 18 611 was last modified in 2000.
quote: Marc's rant is just another example of the ignorance and dishonesty of il Donald as well as his cult. AbE: Just another data point. The Republicans held the majority in both House & Senate in 2000 when US Code Title 18 611 was last modified, not the Democrats. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title Edited by jar, : see AbE
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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
I couldn't be sure whether your message reflected any confusion between legal non-citizen residents and illegal residents, so I'll be perfectly clear about who can legally vote and who can't in federal elections:
In case it helps, here are some of the categories of non-citizens who may be present in the country, none of whom can legally vote:
When I registered to vote in my town around 30 years ago, there was no citizenship check, just a residency check. Because I'm not affiliated with either party, in order to vote in a Republican or Democratic primary I have to register as one or the other, then after the election reregister back as an independent. I used to do this up until maybe 10 years ago, but it was so annoying to have to register twice that I stopped voting in primaries. But I was never asked for proof of citizenship. Most states do not require proof of citizenship to register to vote. Some have tried to institute it but have had their laws struck down by the courts. For example, Kansas had a citizenship requirement until recently, but a judge struck it down in June, ruling that the National Voter Registration Act requires that states make it convenient to register, which means only having to swear you're a U.S. citizen under penalty of perjury. For most people proof of citizenship is a birth certificate or a passport. I didn't see any mention of the newly available Enhanced Driver's License. Here's a page listing the federally defined evidence of citizenship. The part I found most interesting is what you have to do if there is no record of your birth. You must obtain a Letter of No Record. I wonder who is most likely to lack a record of birth, the rich or the poor? There is no evidence of voter fraud by illegal immigrants. This only makes sense because illegal immigrants are highly motivated to keep a low profile which means avoiding visits to city hall to register to vote. There is also no evidence of meaningful voter fraud by legal immigrants. The number of incidents across the country is miniscule. On the one hand it seems only right that we insure that only citizens vote, but on the other hand requiring documentary evidence will self-evidently reduce the voter rolls of the poor the most. --Percy
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