It's not really a theory

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Originally posted by horsegal243:
The theory of evolution is not really a theory at all. In order to have a theory you must devlop a hypothesis. In order for that hypothesis to become a theory you must test it over and over to get results. Scienctists have never tested the hypothesis of evolution and gotten the results that they are claiming. So really and truly it is the HYPOTHISES of evolution not the THEORY of evoluion because they have no proof of their idea.

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read it and weep evoluionists

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I know that many folks here will do a better job of debating and explaining the specific claims on this one than I, so I will take a different approach.So, are you a scientist? Had a lot of training and instruction in the sciences? Maybe you are just a lay-student, self educated in the philosophy of science, having read Popper, et. al.?No?Well, it always strikes me as incredible that Creationists, who seem to me to often be utterly uninformed about the subjects they are discussing, so very frequently think they are presenting some kind of devastating critique to science when they say something silly like the above statement. I mean, don't you think that scientists would have figured this out a long time ago?It's kind of like saying to an engineer who designs automobile motors, "you know, you simply CAN'T have a machine that works on setting gasoline on fire! It will explode! So, the internal combustion engine isn't possible. See?"Here is a good description of what science is. Please explain, with SPECIFICS, how the ToE doesn't meet these requirements: http://www.skepdic.com/science.html------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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Originally posted by stratnerd:
horsegal243 et al.,

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I totally agree, sort-a. Evolution is not a theory; it's a paradigm. My thinking is this: theories are working models that explain several phenomena, whereas paradigms are "world views" and much more encompassing. Evolution is about as broad-sweeping as a concept can become and is composed of several theories that explain its inner workings (e.g., allopatric speciation,sexual selection, natural selection, etc). I dunno, I'm not a philosopher of science and I would greatly appreciate other opinions.

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Um, the Theory of Evolution is, indeed, a theory, just like any other scientific theory. It doesn't matter how broad-sweeping it is.Gravitational theory is broad-sweeping, too. Do you think that Gravitational Theory is not a theory, but simply a paradigm, or "world view", as well?------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
[b]my biggest problem with evolution is the fact that its not readily available[/QUOTE]

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Do you mean that because you find some of it difficult to understand, you don't accept it?

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If so, then perhaps this is a problem with you and your ability to understand, not that the theory is false?

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and can only be made on evidence thats shaky at best.

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Considering that you just admitted that you don't understand the ToE, how can you know if the evidence is shaky or not?

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Just because a radiometric dating test shows a billion years or what not does not meant that it is a billion years old its just that appears to be that old, chances are very likely that it is but you never know what could have happend to the samples or how flawed your method may really be.

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Demonstrate how all the various dating methods are flawed in such a way that they almost always ALL produce matching dates from a single sample.

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I have asked the above repeatedly and have never gotten a real answer. HOW can all of the various dating methods be flawed in such a way as to make the dates come out the SAME?

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I also really dont think that it would be plausable for apes to evolve into man, it just would take way to long and require so many variables that make it completely assumed.

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Apes didn't evolve into humans. Apes and humans share a common ape-like ancestor.

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Ignoring the evidence for human (or any other kind of) evolution does not make it go away, nor does your misunderstanding of it.

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Here is some evidence:

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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/cre_args.html

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Also i usually see atheism

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Um, what does Atheism have to do with Biology?

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as an escape from responsibility and a desperate attempt to be remembered by not following the group and letting things pass you by.

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Huh? Atheism is ALL ABOUT personal responsibility. It's the Christians who blame their bad behavior on the Devil, you know.

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I don't know many desperate Atheists. I do know of quite a few desperate Christians, however.

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Ive said before that without Jesus and the promise of afterlife i have to purpose to do anything for anyone for any reason.

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Well, that's too bad. You need the promise of a reward or you would be a completely self-centered jerk? That's pretty, well, juvenile. A bribe is the only way to motivate you to do the right thing. Pretty shallow.

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I wouldnt have anything to live for, anyone to look up to, but that is of course just me and everything i say is meaningless since ill probably never get a halfway acceptable college degree or a good paying job.

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Well, that's not very self-supportive. You sound a bit down on yourself.

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I can tell already that im doomed to live a typical middle class life already, probably very single. I cant stand the way some humans act, how desperate they are for any kind of attention and how much they want to be loved but rarely ever get it or try to get it. To be an ignorant child with no responsibilities again would make me blissful but i know that i have responsibilities to my beloved Jesus, to my family, and to all those that are going to hell and dont realize how many consequences that are associated with their actions.

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How sad that your religion has forced this heavy weight on you.

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People right now are generally extremely self centered and very opposed to any sort of change, theres a war going on right in the middle east now because of land, something so trivial but so very necessary to survival and somewhat honor.

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The war is much more than about land, KP. It's a religious war. And there are Fundamentalist Christians which are delighted that it is going on, and are doing their best to keep it going. See, some of them believe that the Second Coming will be precipitated by a great war in the Holy Land.

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Even worse is the fact that discrimination is very widespread and im not talking about racial im talking about way of life and amount of wealth discrimination. The very fact that people have to live on the streets to live should tell you something about how bad our society is becoming.

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I also think that the wage gap and the way we treat the poor in this country is atrocious. The minimum wage is not a living wage.

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I am curious...what does the Wage Gap have to do with the ToE?

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Of course i dont see working nine hour shifts in an office much different either than you can have a somewhat good living off of it. Actually as far as i see it there isnt very much racial, or sexist discrimination going on in the U.S.

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Oh, there's plenty of racial and sex discrimination.

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[QUOTE]Thats all for now, need to get some sleep. im sure i said something relatively offensive or at least ignorant in someones eyes but again your opinion on science doesnt matter to me if you cant have some faith in Jesus.
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So, Christians are the only people that matter, eh? Tell me again how self-centered people are in this country again?