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toff
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Message 31 of 45 (4912)
02-18-2002 5:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Socrates
02-15-2002 12:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Socrates:
I'm doing a little research project for a biology class on society's views on evolution/creationism, et cetera, and need to know about YOU. If you can please answer the questions below, they're really easy one word answers...
1)Age?
39
2)Level of education?
High School
3)What is your occupation?
Computer Systems analysis and Design
4)Would you consider yourself religious?
If yes, what religion?
No.
5)Have you ever taken a high school AP Biology course or any college biology course?
No
6)Do you "believe" in evolution or creationism (or ID)? (or none of these, or both?)
I 'believe' in evolution.
I find a belief in creationism to be completely unsupported.
I find a belief in ID to be completely unsupported.
I find a belief in creation (by some creator) to be completely without evidence for or against, and consider it foolish to hold an opinion either way.
Incidentally, it's interesting how many christians in this thread have stated they don't like religion, or don't follow religion, or that Jesus didn't like religion...while they are all religious, following the religion of christianity. Why do so many christians (not only the ones on this board - I've seen it many places before) want to claim/allege/imply that pure christianity (as distinct from any 'church' version of it) is a religion?
Thank you.


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Quetzal
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Message 32 of 45 (4917)
02-18-2002 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Socrates
02-15-2002 12:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Socrates:
I'm doing a little research project for a biology class on society's views on evolution/creationism, et cetera, and need to know about YOU. If you can please answer the questions below, they're really easy one word answers...
1)Age? 45
2)Level of education? BS Environmental Science '78, BS Management '96 (even I finally figured out I could make more money with this)
3)What is your occupation? Ecotourism management and development consultant
4)Would you consider yourself religious?
If yes, what religion?
Not since I was 12. Formerly CoE/Anglican
5)Have you ever taken a high school AP Biology course or any college biology course? More than I'd care to admit to (the only difference between a BS in biology and environmental science is the upper level electives - I successfully avoided taking advanced biochemistry, whew!)
6)Do you "believe" in evolution or creationism (or ID)? (or none of these, or both?) I don't "believe" in any of the above. I am convinced, based on mountains of evidence, that: a) evolutionary theory (especially the neo-Darwinian synthesis) provides the best current explanation for biodiversity and modern life and b) there is absolutely NO positive evidence of any kind whatsoever for either creationism or ID.
Thank you. You're welcome.

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joz
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Message 33 of 45 (4920)
02-18-2002 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by TrueCreation
02-17-2002 11:18 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
I wouldn't know what college level physics I know, but I know that it is much above high schools provide, I would be considered a 'beginner' as a collage physics student, though in high school its a bit different.
I didn't think I would cause so much of a ruckuss just by saying such a level of physics, though I see it is speculative regarding my age.

TC no matter how advanced you are at high school level without calculus any claim to college level physics is unfounded.
How the hell do you have vector and scalar products and no calculus?
Its not speculative because of your age its spurious given your lack of an essential mathematical tool. If you can`t do calculus you DON`T have college level physics full stop.

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Peter
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Message 34 of 45 (4927)
02-18-2002 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Socrates
02-15-2002 12:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Socrates:
I'm doing a little research project for a biology class on society's views on evolution/creationism, et cetera, and need to know about YOU. If you can please answer the questions below, they're really easy one word answers...

1)Age?
35
2)Level of education?
PhD.
3)What is your occupation?
Software Engineer
4)Would you consider yourself religious?
If yes, what religion?
No.
5)Have you ever taken a high school AP Biology course or any college biology course?
Have an 'A' level in biology.
6)Do you "believe" in evolution or creationism (or ID)? (or none of these, or both?)
Neither.
I find the EVIDENCE for evolution compelling.
Thank you.
No problemo!
Just an aside (added after re-reading the thread) do you think
there is any significance in the fact that no-one over 25 is
claiming to be religous ?
[This message has been edited by Peter, 02-18-2002]

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 35 of 45 (4934)
02-18-2002 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by TrueCreation
02-17-2002 11:31 PM


quote:
--If I had been pro-evolution, perspecive would commute in the eyes of many on the boards. Isn't it logical to say that if I were I wouldn't be so weak on logic?
No, I should think that if you were weak on logic, or had your facts wrong, you would be corrected no matter which position you supported.
You have seen us evolutionists correct each other quite frequently here.
As has been stated before, that is, at a very low level, peer review.
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"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."
-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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Mister Pamboli
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Message 36 of 45 (4961)
02-18-2002 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by nator
02-18-2002 11:13 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
No, I should think that if you were weak on logic, or had your facts wrong, you would be corrected no matter which position you supported.
You have seen us evolutionists correct each other quite frequently here.

Take this as a compliment TC - I only bother to criticize your logic because it is worth criticizing. There are lots of posts with quite appalling logical howlers which are hardly worth dealing with. In your case, you're weakness in logic is subtle and it is its subtlety which leads you into error, because the argument may often look and feel right to an uncritical eye. (You should be a politician.)

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TrueCreation
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Message 37 of 45 (4973)
02-18-2002 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Mister Pamboli
02-18-2002 4:48 PM


"Take this as a compliment TC - I only bother to criticize your logic because it is worth criticizing. There are lots of posts with quite appalling logical howlers which are hardly worth dealing with. In your case, you're weakness in logic is subtle and it is its subtlety which leads you into error, because the argument may often look and feel right to an uncritical eye. (You should be a politician.)"
--Yes, I guess it is simply common (more in some) that you find this, its simple change, afterall, we are here to debate, and to debate in such a topic requires adaptivity to new information and ideas.
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bkwusa
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Message 38 of 45 (5021)
02-18-2002 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Socrates
02-15-2002 12:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Socrates:
I'm doing a little research project for a biology class on society's views on evolution/creationism, et cetera, and need to know about YOU. If you can please answer the questions below, they're really easy one word answers...
1)Age?
19
2)Level of education?
college student
3)What is your occupation?
student
4)Would you consider yourself religious?
If yes, what religion?
christian
5)Have you ever taken a high school AP Biology course or any college biology course?
i'm currently in evolutionary geology
6)Do you "believe" in evolution or creationism (or ID)? (or none of these, or both?)
i belive evolution was the way god created teh earth and all animal except humans
Thank you.


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joz
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Message 39 of 45 (5067)
02-19-2002 8:47 AM


Well TC posted this on the new information thread:
"(mark)"I thought we'd been over this, you gave me your qualifying genetic criteria, & I showed that new info CAN arise as a result of mutation."
(TC)--Sure looks like it, but I don't have the quallifications to continue, the biology is above my stature.)
Better scrub biology from the list of college level subjects that TC can lay claim to....

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Dream Master
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Message 40 of 45 (8087)
04-02-2002 1:10 AM


1)Age?
21
2)Level of education?
High school Bachelor degree as mathematical physicist (or however you translate "fisico-matemtico")
3)What is your occupation?
4rth semester College student
4)Would you consider yourself religious?
whole heartedly, one of my church's finest examples
If yes, what religion?
Catholic
5)Have you ever taken a high school AP Biology course or any college biology course?
3 years of obligatory studies in both Jr. and Sr. High school. I'm well versed.
6)Do you "believe" in evolution or creationism (or ID)? (or none of these, or both?)
Evolution. God couldn't have been more of a genius (maybe)
Thank you.
PS. College level Physics without calculus? You couldn't even deduce instant velocity without some knowledge of diferencials.

  
TrueCreation
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Message 41 of 45 (8116)
04-02-2002 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by bkwusa
02-18-2002 10:05 PM


"5)Have you ever taken a high school AP Biology course or any college biology course?
i'm currently in evolutionary geology"
--Hey now, give me a heads-up when you are finished with your text-book, I would most be interested in its purchase if possible
Or in the least what is its published name and author, or mabye its isbn? I've been meaning to get one, possibly this could be a recommendation?
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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 42 of 45 (8179)
04-04-2002 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by bkwusa
02-18-2002 10:05 PM


quote:
Originally posted by bkwusa:

Why do you think that humans are a separate creation. What evidence do you have that we are not, in fact, really smart primates?

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compmage
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Message 43 of 45 (8370)
04-09-2002 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Socrates
02-15-2002 12:08 PM


1)Age?
25
2)Level of education?
1 year BCom - Informatics and Economics (couldn't earn enough to pay for more)
National Diploma - Computer Programming
3)What is your occupation?
Analyst Program
4)Would you consider yourself religious?
If yes, what religion?
No.
5)Have you ever taken a high school AP Biology course or any college biology course?
HS Biology until I was 15.
6)Do you "believe" in evolution or creationism (or ID)? (or none of these, or both?)
Evolution.
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I have conquered worlds...

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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Posts: 402
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Joined: 03-19-2002


Message 44 of 45 (8376)
04-09-2002 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Socrates
02-15-2002 12:08 PM


Hope that this is not too late for your project.
1)Age?
39 Yeah gads, I turn 40 this year
2)Level of education?
Ph.D. Biochemistry and Cell Biology
3)What is your occupation?
Director of Manufacturing of a Biotech company, pretty much head of Biochemical research as well until we can add people.
4)Would you consider yourself religious?
If yes, what religion?
No, I prefer the original philosophical basis of the Tao to any organized religion.
5)Have you ever taken a high school AP Biology course or any college biology course?
Yep, taught some college level Biochemistry courses too.
6)Do you "believe" in evolution or creationism (or ID)? (or none of these, or both?)
Sorry, wrong phrasing. It is my opinion that the scientific method is the best means we have for defining the natural world. Evolution, ie change, has occured in living and extinct species; it is my opinion that Natural Selection has played either the major or a key role in that change.
Thank you.
Por Nada.
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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz

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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 45 of 45 (8377)
04-09-2002 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by joz
02-19-2002 8:47 AM


quote:
Originally posted by joz:
Well TC posted this on the new information thread:
"(mark)"I thought we'd been over this, you gave me your qualifying genetic criteria, & I showed that new info CAN arise as a result of mutation."
(TC)--Sure looks like it, but I don't have the quallifications to continue, the biology is above my stature.)
Better scrub biology from the list of college level subjects that TC can lay claim to....

Actually information theory w.r.t. biology/molecular biology is a whole couple of levels above general biology. I am still pretty good at general bio but this information theory application is a stone cold b!^ch. IMO it is worse than Thermo in a lot of ways
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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz

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