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Author Topic:   Netanyahu: "Seventy years ago, only Shanghai opened the door... to Jewish refugees"
Phat
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Message 7 of 33 (837630)
08-07-2018 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by LamarkNewAge
08-06-2018 11:55 PM


Its The Money
... those that were granted entry (to Britain) were admitted only because the Jewish community guaranteed that it would bear all the expenses of accommodation and maintenance, with no burden placed on the public purse.
I think that guarding the expenses is a reasonable approach to unchecked immigration. The United States needs people who will contribute to our society rather than becoming an expense.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 9 of 33 (837634)
08-07-2018 4:22 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by NoNukes
08-07-2018 3:21 AM


Re: Its The Money
Convince me that "folks who can contribute" is not just racist double talk.
Anyone can contribute if nothing more than simply getting a job and paying taxes...which is needed for our future social security.
What we don't want are people who need our largesse more than they are willing to contribute...and that can be individuals from any country.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 14 of 33 (837652)
08-07-2018 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by LamarkNewAge
08-07-2018 9:05 AM


Re: Open Borders supported by ultra conservative libertarians like CATO Institute
I think that while it would help the economy in general, it would prove to be a strain on the existing middle class, which is already shrinking. The competition would be something we would be unprepared to handle.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 15 of 33 (837653)
08-07-2018 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by NoNukes
08-07-2018 9:49 AM


Re: Its The Money
So no refugees then?
Of course we need some. Too many would in my opinion lower average wages.
Are you requiring folks who come here to be financially well off before they get here?
Not at all. I just dont want too many eager workers who only require minimum wages.
To be already educated?
Of course we need some. Michio Kaku has argued before that America has a secret weapon. 100% of the PhD candidates are foreign born.
So no young folks either?
Balance is the key. Balance and moderation.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 19 of 33 (837711)
08-07-2018 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by ringo
08-07-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Its The Money
ringo writes:
Which is the bad part? The eagerness to work? Or the willingness to do it for less?
The willingness to do it for less. We can't allow the wages of citizens here to suffer simply to accommodate more workers. The businesses would love it of course, but it would be unfair to subject the laborers to such competition.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 21 of 33 (837716)
08-07-2018 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by NoNukes
08-07-2018 4:17 PM


Re: Its The Money
How would you feel if you had major health issues such as Diabetes and Sleep Apnea and were nearly 60 and had no retirement except for the pension provided by your job and a wage that just paid your living expenses and you couldn't work at any other job and you were depending on a decent labor contract to survive? Would you simply count on Jesus as you watched the wages diminish?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 23 of 33 (837721)
08-07-2018 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by NoNukes
08-07-2018 4:42 PM


Re: Its The Money
No. As I said before, we need an inflow of new workers to pay into social security. What we don't need are open borders. I think that the amount of workers we get now is just about right. My best friend is from Mexico and not a citizen. I am glad he is here.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 26 of 33 (837756)
08-08-2018 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by ringo
08-08-2018 12:19 PM


Re: Its The Money
ringo writes:
That's pretty much the basis of the capitalist system, isn't it?
Im not against controlled immigration. What I am against is open borders and unlimited immigration because it would trash the middle class. And socialism is no prize either---look at what is happening in Venezuela.
Capitalism as a model wont work on a global level.Once you run out of foreigners to exploit, the only way that the system will survive is to exploit its own middle class.
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 28 of 33 (837759)
08-08-2018 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ringo
08-08-2018 4:04 PM


Re: Its The Money
Not sure that I understand your position....What is the dream for a better life anyway? Every immigrant aspires to the same level that many Americans take for granted. Just because *you* proudly have never had a desire for an extra TV set or a weeks vacation fishing does not mean that middle class values should sound so strange to most of us.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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