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jar Member Posts: 33908 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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The motives of the Sheep and Goats never mattered; that is the whole point of he parable.
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Phat Member Posts: 15959 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member Posts: 33908 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Absolutely. It is what was done that was significant and NOT the motivation. The Goats thought motive had value and Jesus clearly pointed out that they were wrong. What happens to the Goats after they rise from the dead is a different issue and one no one can answer.
Edited by jar, : hit wrong key
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Phat Member Posts: 15959 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Im talking about the motives of the author.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member Posts: 33908 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
LOL
Again, there is no way to know or even guess about the motivation of any author; nor is it of any relevance.
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Phat Member Posts: 15959 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
In that case it matters little if and how the Great Commission changed.
So what if the deal seems sweeter and easier now? Its hard enough to get people to do anything. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member Posts: 33908 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Again, the point is that the Great Commission WAS changed. It is simply additional evidence that the Bible is the product of humans each creating the narrative they want to market.
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Phat Member Posts: 15959 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
So if Jesus actually said the Sheep/Goats parable, we could argue..(as you do) that the message represents what He wants us all to do, correct? You have always preferred this verse as one of your defining scriptures as to what Christianity is (or should be) about. Then when other Christians bring up scriptures from John or 2nd peter or Romans, you argue that these were attempts to change the original message. My point is why should we give any more weight to Matthew 25 than we do to John or Romans? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member Posts: 33908 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
You should not. You should look at the whole body of writings and be honest about what is written. You should stop looking for things that can be taken out of context to suit YOUR agenda. Stop quoting John 3:16 and look at what follows as well:
Note that it goes on to explain that it is the acts, the actions that count and not simply belief or worship. The "condemnation" is not salvation but rather behavior and actions.
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Phat Member Posts: 15959 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member Posts: 33908 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
The fact that other people commit the same errors does not change the fact that they are still errors.
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Phat Member Posts: 15959 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
My only agenda is to promote the belief that Jesus Christ is alive in Spirit and waiting for humanity to freely accept and internalize this fact. You and ringo, in contrast, appear to promote the idea that WE humans are responsible for our future and that no God (or Messiah) is going to rescue us. Granted I see your point and yet do not believe it. You may say that by refusing to accept the facts that lead to your conclusions I am being dishonest with myself and others, but at this point in time, I do not concur. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member Posts: 33908 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Kinda, you want a God that will rescue Phat. So you only accept those parts of the Bible stories that can be claimed to support the end product YOU want. What I point out that Jesus repeatedly says that YOU need to do it. Nor is there any evidence that any God ever came and rescued us. But we have been given the GREAT GIFT of knowledge of right and wrong and if we do what is right we won't need rescuing.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 684 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member Posts: 33908 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Notice Faith that not one of your examples shows God rescuing anyone.
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