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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
ringo writes: Faith writes:
There is no "redistribution of wealth" there at all... Of course there is. Don't be silly. The whole point was to prevent people from being financially ruined forever. The money they would have paid was kept for their own (more productive) use. No, it was simply mercy to the poor who couldn't pay their debts. There wouldn't have been any money to be "kept" because they would have paid the debt if they'd had it.
...no coercion as in socialistic systems that control everybody.... You're making a strawman of socialism. Fraid I'm not. There are hybrid forms of socialism that are less totalitarian but the tendency of socialism is always toward totalitarian oppression in the hands of government. It's the complete opposite of the concepts of personal freedom so hard-won over the centuries before the US Constitution aimed to establish such freedoms as a principle of governance. But as John Adams and others of the Founders said in various ways, our system of government can only work well for a religious and moral people, "it is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other." Well, we've been losing our character as a "religious and moral people" for quite some time now, well beyond the point where such freedoms can be safely granted and the corporate federation still hold together, so we've become ripe for totalitarian oppression, of which socialism is a form. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
No, a bigot is a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Incorrectly used by the usual suspects here though, since not one word of that applies rightly to me. What I said is the truth, I'm talking about cultural and ideological differences, not race. It takes a mush-minded political-correctness-controlled leftist to see racism in that, let alone mental rigidity or hatred or intolerance, which are far from my character or point of view. You really have no idea how such ideas are simply canned PC propaganda that take the place of thinking.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2323 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: Bernie Sanders demolished this scare tactic and appealed to broad cross-sections of Americans. Even conservatives are really showing awareness of the very real differences between Scandinavian "socialism" and North Korean communism. Donald Trump is remembered for the "blood from her wherever" comment directed at the moderator of the August 2015 debate, but he should be remembered for yelling at his demagogic Republicans the list of countries that Single Payer healthcare works well in. As President, he told the Australian leader, "you have a better health care system than we do" (close to what he said) in front of an international media. Socialism just isn't the dirty word it used to be. (the attack never gets old though, huh?) People know that higher per capita incomes mean less than was once thought. There needs to be a way to make sure that progress is reflected in the quality of living (or at least reflected in the quality of the safety net when people fall down) for all people. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Scandinavian socialism is the hybrid type I mentioned. Some people here call the normal functions of government "socialism" and I don't want to get into all that except to say that highway construction and other public works are not socialism. But socialism does tend to totalitarianism. Americans, and probably most Republicans, are ignorant of these things. And I don't claim to know much about it either except these general things.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2323 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I associate public education (promoted by Marx) with progress, and it specifically was crucial in moderating people and causing us all to move AWAY from old mindsets that were congenial towards tyranny and lack of freedom.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2323 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Robert Bartley is noteworthy for his 5 line proposed amendment.
Robert Leroy Bartley (October 12, 1937 — December 10, 2003) was the editor of the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal for more than 30 years Robert Bartley - Wikipedia Here is what one gets when putting those 5 words into google.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
No, a bigot is a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. I find it fascinating how similarly Faith, Laura Ingraham, and David Duke have presented their views on this subject this past week. Of the three folks, it is only Faith who has had the honesty to call herself a bigot. ABE: Spell Ms. Ingraham's name properly. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I like Laura Ingraham, saw a bit of her comments and have pretty much forgotten what she said, but I refuse to fault her. Didn't see David Duke's comments and generally don't support him.
But what goes on here is really quite scary because it is Big Brother in spirit, determined to prevent anyone from thinking outside the party box. You are a bigoted comrade leftist that cannot tolerate anyone who actually thinks rather than toeing the party line. We can't compare cultures any more, can we? Certainly can't consider a Christian culture superior to a pagan culture. No, we now have Multiculturalism (one of the destructive concepts birthed from Cultural Marxism aimed at destroying America and Western Civilization), which declares that there are no differences between radically different cultures and ideologies cuz golly gosh that would be hate and bigotry, never mind that it has nothing to do with hate and bigotry, it's just a way to silence people who aren't on board with the leftist agenda. This is what Liberal Fascism is. I wonder if any of you will wake up to what you are really doing. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, Open Borders is one of the battering rams against Christian culture that has become very popular these days, as Leftist views in general have become popular. All you are proving is that this evil idea is indeed popular. Well, Hitler had his millions of followers too. I'm sure Pope Francis supports it too, being a good leftist Jesuit antichrist Pope who would like to see the papacy regain its former ascendancy over western civilization that was lost to the Protestant Reformation, which America once strongly represented. I'm sure we could find lots of Jesuits espousing Open Borders if we just took a glance around.
You can still repent though and fight on the side of righteousness instead of supporting the Antichrist. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I associate public education (promoted by Marx) with progress, and it specifically was crucial in moderating people and causing us all to move AWAY from old mindsets that were congenial towards tyranny and lack of freedom. really weird reversal of the truth there. Universal education was originally a Christian project, and literacy was promoted to foster the reading of the Bible. Universities were begun way back there somewhere as Christian institutions for the training of Christian pastors and teachers. All the Ivy League universities began with that aim. The Bible and various Catechisms and Confessions of Faith were the reading material for teaching children in the US in the early years. Marx's idea of "progress" simply isn't progress, and whatever he did to inspire public education could only have been subversive of what public education already existed, and could only lead to the murderous totalitarianism his ideas did in fact spawn despite all this effort to pretend they didn't. Marx was a Satanist and his work has borne the fruit of Satanism which is founded in the hatred of humanity. Satan worked to undermine Christianity, introduce false doctrine into the churches, get them well "liberalized" and dilute the true faith. As Christianity lost its power for good in society due to this satanic influence then a door was opened to all the evil ideologies he invented to replace it, such as Darwinism, Marxism and Freudianism. What is taken for progress is really a recipe for the destruction of Christian society by the destruction of Christian morality. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Universal education was originally a Christian project, and literacy was promoted to foster the reading of the Bible. I'm sorry Faith but that is simply not true and not true by almost a thousand years. It was Mohammad who promoted universal education so that everyone could read the glorious Qur'an. The Muslims were the great educators and their universities far outstripped anything seen in the world before or really since. The pinnacle was Muslim Spain from around 700 until 1492 when barbaric Christianity invaded Spain.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The Muslims were the great educators and their universities far outstripped anything seen in the world before or really since. The pinnacle was Muslim Spain from around 700 until 1492 when barbaric Christianity invaded Spain. Indeed, and that educated muslim world is where the scientific method was first developed:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, no. The phrase is UNIVERSAL EDUCATION, the attempt to make sure that everyone gets a basic education, and googling it discovers that it is in fact very recent, just a few hundred years, and western.
You are right that there were universities and education of children in other places earlier. Nevertheless education for children in America was based on the Bible and Christian documents. European universities evolved from the monasteries and medieval churches, and American universities were specifically founded to train Christian pastors and teachers. The Muslim university, however, was not founded in Spain but in Morocco, and apparently there was a university in India that was even earlier. And your history of Spain is wacko from a number of angles. But this is getting away from the topic of what Marx supposedly contribguted to public education. Not much. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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There was even more. As Islam spread Arabic became the lingua franca of the world. And with the emphasis on education most of the existing books from every society were translated in Arabic and copied into the great libraries throughout Andalusian Spain. At the time when a great library in Christian Europe might have fifty books there were literally dozens of libraries each with thousands of books in every one of the major Andalusian cities.
While the original intent of the education Mandate by Mohammad was religious in nature the unintended consequence had far greater impact bringing scholars and the accumulated knowledge from as far away as China and India to Andalusian Spain where a common language allowed Jew and Christian and Muslim and Hindu and Buddhist and Taoist to freely exchange their knowledge and experiences.
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