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Author Topic:   Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate?
Faith
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Message 121 of 353 (838052)
08-13-2018 4:35 AM
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08-13-2018 2:42 AM


Re: Immigration is OK IF respect is given to those born here.
I agree. Open Borders gives no respect whatever to American citizens.

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Message 122 of 353 (838062)
08-13-2018 11:37 AM
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08-13-2018 2:42 AM


Re: Immigration is OK IF respect is given to those born here.
Phat writes:

This is my prerequisite for immigration---that the domestic aging population is taken care of first.


You're looking at it backwards. The immigrants aren't subtracting from the overall situation; they're adding to it. Strengthening your economy through immigration will only be good for the domestic population.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 123 of 353 (838074)
08-13-2018 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Faith
08-10-2018 5:41 PM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
Faith writes:

Oh well. It's about culture, not race, but there is of course always enough overlap to confuse the poor leftists.

You are insinuating that other cultures (cultures with dark skinned people?) are lazy.


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Message 124 of 353 (838075)
08-13-2018 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
08-10-2018 6:45 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

Fraid I'm not. There are hybrid forms of socialism that are less totalitarian but the tendency of socialism is always toward totalitarian oppression in the hands of government.

Again, there is widespread support for socialist programs in the US, even among Republicans. If Republicans campaigned on a platform of doing away with Medicare and public education they would lose a lot of elections.

But as John Adams and others of the Founders said in various ways, our system of government can only work well for a religious and moral people, "it is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other." Well, we've been losing our character as a "religious and moral people" for quite some time now, well beyond the point where such freedoms can be safely granted and the corporate federation still hold together, so we've become ripe for totalitarian oppression, of which socialism is a form.

I will take non-religious and moral over religious and immoral any day.


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Taq
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Message 125 of 353 (838076)
08-13-2018 6:15 PM
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08-13-2018 4:35 AM


Re: Immigration is OK IF respect is given to those born here.
Faith writes:

I agree. Open Borders gives no respect whatever to American citizens.

That quaking you feel is millions of Native Americans rolling their eyes.


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Faith
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Message 126 of 353 (838078)
08-13-2018 7:14 PM
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08-13-2018 6:14 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Public education is not socialism. Public works are not socialism. Socialism is not the support of infrastructure or any institution available to all. Socialism is the taking from some to give to others.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 127 of 353 (838079)
08-13-2018 7:18 PM
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08-13-2018 6:15 PM


Re: Immigration is OK IF respect is given to those born here.
So you're all for giving the continent back to the Indians? Or turning it over to Mexico?

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Message 128 of 353 (838080)
08-13-2018 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
08-13-2018 7:14 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

Public education is not socialism. Public works are not socialism. Socialism is not the support of infrastructure or any institution available to all. Socialism is the taking from some to give to others.

That is a truly stupid statement. Public Schools are funded by taking money and giving it to others. Public works are funded by taking money and giving it to others. Both involve taking money to give benefits to others socially.

Only a totally ignorant or utterly dishonest person would claim that public schools, public highways, public police protection, public fire departments, public street lights, social security, medicare, medicaid, public sewers and storm drains are not socialism.


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NoNukes
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Message 129 of 353 (838084)
08-13-2018 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
08-13-2018 7:14 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Public education is not socialism.

Interesting. I thought you despised public education.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Faith
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Message 130 of 353 (838086)
08-13-2018 8:25 PM
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08-13-2018 8:06 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Interesting. I thought you despised public education.

I despite a lot of what has been done with it in recent years but I don't despise the principle.


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Faith
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Message 131 of 353 (838087)
08-13-2018 8:26 PM
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08-13-2018 7:31 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Public works are done for everyone and contributed to by everyone.

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jar
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Message 132 of 353 (838088)
08-13-2018 8:36 PM
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08-13-2018 8:26 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

Public works are done for everyone and contributed to by everyone.

Which is the definition of socialism.


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Faith
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Message 133 of 353 (838089)
08-13-2018 8:39 PM
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08-13-2018 8:36 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
No, socialism redistributes wealth, taking from some to give to others. Even where it seems to be designed to benefit all it takes from the richer to give to the poorer. That is not the case with public works.

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NoNukes
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Message 134 of 353 (838090)
08-13-2018 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Faith
08-13-2018 8:39 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Even where it seems to be designed to benefit all it takes from the richer to give to the poorer.

Isn't that the case for all things that are paid for with federal tax dollars? Roads, bridges, Medicare?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Faith
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Message 135 of 353 (838093)
08-13-2018 8:52 PM
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08-13-2018 8:44 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
No, roads and bridges are public works that benefit all of us collectively. Medicare is a complicated form of socialism that selectively benefits individuals.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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