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LamarkNewAge
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Message 658 of 1748 (838102)
08-13-2018 10:26 PM
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08-13-2018 10:07 PM


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 660 of 1748 (838104)
08-13-2018 11:00 PM
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08-13-2018 10:07 PM


China wasn't "virgin soil" , Christians were seen as oppressive before 1900.
quote:
It makes some sense that God had to go to a "virgin" land like China where Christianity had not so entrenched itself in traditions, in order for God to open up and end/time channel for recovery of the church life
Study the Boxer Rebellion.
It was a 1899 rebellion against Christian power.
The Chinese nationalists that fled to Taiwan were (brutal) Christians.
China was led by a Christian from 1928 till the overthrow, and Chiang Kai-shek ruled Taiwan till 1975.
But almost 10% of China was ruled by a Christian king in the mid 1800s.
Taiping Heavenly Kingdom - Wikipedia
quote:
The Taiping Rebellion, also known as the Taiping Civil War or the Taiping Revolution,[5] was a massive rebellion or total civil war in China that was waged from 1850 to 1864 between the established Manchu-led Qing dynasty and the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom under Hong Xiuquan.
The Taiping Heavenly Kingdom was an oppositional state based in Tianjing (present-day Nanjing) with a Christian millenarian agenda to initiate a major transformation of society. A self-proclaimed convert to Christianity and brother of Jesus Christ, Hong Xiuquan led an army that controlled a significant part of southern China during the middle of the 19th century, eventually expanding to command a population base of nearly 30 million people.
Taiping Rebellion - Wikipedia
I do see the "end times" themes as already in the consciousness.
And Christians had influence centuries earlier than the "end times" kingdom of 1850 .
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LamarkNewAge
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Message 671 of 1748 (838164)
08-14-2018 9:39 PM


So Enoch and Elijah were "raptured" (meaning they died)
Rahab was not "raptured" because she lived while the Canaanites were slaughtered?
If God kills you by taking you to heaven, then you are raptured?
I found a timeline of the grandchildren of Adam.
http://www.josephineelia.com/...uploads/2011/03/timeline.jpg
Enoch was born in the year 622 after creation (AC)
He was "raptured" 987 AC.
Noah was born 1056 AC.
So there was 70 years between righteous Enoch leaving Earth and Noah being born.
Since the 490 days in Daniel are interpreted (by Christian prophecy folks today)to be years, and the last week is seen as "7 years" (by the same Christian prophecy people), then what to make of a raptured Enoch being gone for 70 years before the birth of Noah?
Do you consider Methuselah and Lamech to have been evil since they were not raptured and had to live through this 70 year period?
Methuselah might have even died in the flood (the math allows for him drowning in the Flood , dropping dead just before the Flood, or perhaps he was raptured too?)
quote:
Though some may mistakenly think Methuselah died in the Flood, this is highly unlikely. Methuselah was raised by a godly parent (Enoch) who walked with God and pleased God so that God took him away without death. In fact, Methuselah may have actually helped Noah in the construction phase of the Ark. But his death preceded the Flood.
https://answersingenesis.org/...logy/when-did-methuselah-die
According to AIG, A godly man wasn't raptured. (they don't comment on the rapture part mind you)
Jude said Enoch was a prophet. He "prophesied".
But fundamentalists have always hated the fact that Jude used a Greek quote that matched the Ethiopian Enoch (or I Enoch)
Here is the same Answers in Genesis source I linked to above.
quote:
While Jude 1:14—15 quotes from the Book of Enoch (1:9), this simply means that the quote used by Jude was inspired of God as Scripture. It gives no credence to the idea that any other verse in the book of Enoch is inspired.
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord comes...
This "inspired" word of Jude (though Jude says Enoch HIMSELF said it as a prophet) will link Enoch to modern day prophecy stuff.
(Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the Greek text of Enoch, found only in Jude, is considered "inspired" but all the Aramaic, Hebrew, and Semitic Ethiopian quotes don't count as "inspired" because they aren't part of some "sacred European scripture"?)
That and his "rapture".
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LamarkNewAge
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Message 678 of 1748 (838205)
08-15-2018 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 677 by Faith
08-15-2018 11:33 AM


China's Christian King had visions to kill "demons":Manchu human beings
The rapid expansion of Christianity, in the 18th century, seemed to inaugurate the age of genocide.
But it wasn't just "Manifest Destiny" that brought the bloody state of affairs. MILLENNIALISM played its role.
Here is a Christian who went on to become King of China.
Hong Xiuquan became a Christian after a few things happened.He read Protestant evangelical tract THEN some time later, he had visions.
Hong Xiuquan - Wikipedia
He ending up taking over a large part of China.
He had visions ever after.
quote:
In 1853 the Taiping forces captured Nanjing, making it their capital and renaming it Tianjing ("Heavenly Capital"). Hong converted the office of the Viceroy of Liangjiang into his Palace of Heavenly King. Since Hong Xiuquan had been supposedly instructed in his dream to exterminate all "demons", which was what the Taipings considered the Manchus to be, thus they set out to kill and wipe out the entire Manchu population. When Nanjing was occupied, the Taipings went on a rampage killing, burning and hacking 40,000 Manchus to death in the city[7] They first killed all the Manchu men, then forced the Manchu women outside the city and burnt them to death.[8]
At its height, the Heavenly Kingdom controlled south China, centered on the fertile Yangtze River Valley. Control of the river meant that the Taiping could easily supply their capital. From there, the Taiping rebels sent armies west into the upper reaches of the Yangtze, and north to capture Beijing, the capital of the Qing dynasty. The attempt to take Beijing failed.
Taiping Heavenly Kingdom - Wikipedia
The British and French helped the Chinese overthrow this rapidly expanding Kingdom.
This man had visions every step of the way.

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Message 679 of 1748 (838206)
08-15-2018 11:30 PM
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08-15-2018 11:17 PM


Re: China's Christian King had visions to kill "demons":Manchu human beings
Here was the Christian group he founded.
From:
God Worshipping Society - Wikipedia
quote:
The God Worshipping Society (拜上帝教) was a religious movement founded and led by Hong Xiuquan which drew on his own unique interpretation of Christianity and combined it with Chinese folk religion, faith in Shangdi, and other religious traditions.[1] According to historical evidence, his first contact with Christian pamphlets occurred in 1836 when he directly received American Congregationalist missionary Edwin Stevens' personal copy of the Good Words to Admonish the Age (by Liang Fa, 1832). He only briefly looked over and did not carefully examine it. Subsequently, Hong had supposedly experienced mystical visions in the wake of his third failure[a] of the imperial examinations in 1837 and after failing for a fourth time in 1843, he sat down to carefully examine the tracts with his distant cousin Feng Yunshan, believing that they were "the key to interpreting his visions" coming to the conclusion that he was "the son of God the Father and the younger brother of Jesus Christ who had been directed to rid the world of demon worship."[3][4][5][6][7][8][8][9]
Clearly the Prophecy and End Times movement is a bloody business.
I remember first reading about this kingdom (decades ago) in some official 7th Day Adventist book.
Saturday seemed to be the day of worship with this kingdom.
A sincere Christian movement that nevertheless had visions to exterminate entire peoples.
Imagine if this Christian Kingdom (with its visionary group of believers) wasn't hell bent on genocide, but more on ever better military strategy training and even more successful operations. The group might have had a perpetual hold on vast parts of China and the world's largest nation might have had a vastly different history.
There might have been 2 Chinas.
(Actually the Christian Chiang Kai-shek and the nation Taiwan alongside means there ARE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE CHINAS)
And I mean on the mainland.
Christians have a history of creating two Chinas, it seems.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1414 of 1748 (840040)
09-22-2018 3:13 PM


Astronauts (more than any group) testify to seeing unmistakable UFOs.
Why aren't they believed on that issue?
Since everything they say is taken as unquestionable authority on the moon landing.
(Why a double standard?)
I might have to finally post a UFO thread.
(in a few weeks perhaps)
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Message 1588 of 1748 (848140)
01-31-2019 8:39 PM


Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
Without any commentary, just show me the scriptures that say God sacrificed HIMSELF.
HIMSELF.
(And I am not asking for scripture about his child or "son")
Scripture please.
Quote it.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1590 of 1748 (848164)
02-01-2019 8:22 AM
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02-01-2019 3:04 AM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
Nice quote from scripture.
(Did you miss the part about me ONLY wanting a raw scriptural quotation, absent any blather?)
Again, where does it say God sacrificed himself?
I don't care what (Gospel) John 1 says.
I know that some scriptures say Jesus was God.
I just want to see this large New Testament sacrifice theme being put into the context of God HIMSELF being the sacrifice.
(Again, I'm not saying that no New Testament books had the idea present, I just wonder why it might never actually spell out that GOD HIMSELF WAS THE SACRIFICE)
(I suppose my implication is that "Jesus is/was God" was such a LATE-developing idea, that the Biblical scriptures, with a reflection of various (earlier?) Christologies, did not quite have the chance to certainly describe the oft-repeated sacrificial lamb as God himself)

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