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ringo
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Message 1175 of 1484 (835459)
06-23-2018 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1173 by Faith
06-23-2018 3:20 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
There isn't a natural connction.
That's what we always say until we find one.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1180 of 1484 (835543)
06-24-2018 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1179 by Faith
06-23-2018 10:54 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
There are no natural connections between the sins and their consequences here, they are all spiritual or symbolic....
You do understand what a symbol is, don't you? You can make a symbol of anything to make a point. It's a symbol because it isn't real. It isn't evidence for the supernatural.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1190 of 1484 (835572)
06-25-2018 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1181 by Faith
06-24-2018 7:04 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
A symbol is a symbol because it shares the same content or meaning as the thing it symbolizes.
A symbol is a symbol because somebody has imposed a meaning on it. An eagle is not inherently American. It's a symbol of America because people attribute to it the qualities that they wish they had, qualities that it doesn't necessarily have in reality.
Faith writes:
The spiritual nature of the universe is unrecognized for the most part but it is real and staggeringly impressive.
That "spiritual nature" is also something that you have imposed on reality, not something that is really there.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1191 of 1484 (835573)
06-25-2018 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1187 by Faith
06-25-2018 1:29 AM


Re: David's sins
Faith writes:
We are supposed to learn from these things how the Law of God works.
What we learn is that your God id unjust.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1193 of 1484 (835598)
06-25-2018 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1192 by Faith
06-25-2018 5:42 PM


Re: David's sins
Faith writes:
The thing is, He's THE God, not just my God....
No, he's just another fictional character - and not a very plausible one at that. You've made up your own caricature of the Biblical God, who's just an amalgamation of characters made up by a multitude of authors anyway.
If there is a real God, he/she/it is nothing like what you imagine. And what you call "justice" is worthy of nothing but contempt.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1195 of 1484 (835601)
06-25-2018 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1194 by Faith
06-25-2018 6:11 PM


Re: David's sins
Faith writes:
Unfortunately your view is shared by a lot of people here, I hope not everyone.
Unfortunately your view is shared by too many people in the world. We need to keep pointing out how you're wrong.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1230 of 1484 (835756)
06-30-2018 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1229 by Faith
06-30-2018 11:57 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Faith writes:
... my religion is a life commitment....
But that isn't what the Constitution protects. You can live it every day every where until the cows come home but you can't dictate what is protected under "freedom of religion".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1232 of 1484 (835765)
06-30-2018 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1231 by Faith
06-30-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Faith writes:
... if it is not protected and we are confronted with a demand to honor gay marriage we will have to be punished for refusing.
That isn't a very Christian attitude.
quote:
Romans 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1242 of 1484 (835813)
07-01-2018 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1233 by Faith
07-01-2018 5:04 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
The only conflict is the one that you're creating. If the requirements of your job offend your conscirnce, get a different job. By staying in a job or business that requires you to choose between God's law and the law of his agents, you're flouting the principle that Paul talked about. You're slapping God's agents in the face.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1256 of 1484 (835884)
07-03-2018 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1252 by Faith
07-02-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
Faith writes:
So far the law has only confronted Christians....
It isn't the law confronting Christians. It's Christians confronting the law. And that's Christians confronting Paul.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1268 of 1484 (838224)
08-16-2018 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1264 by Faith
08-16-2018 11:22 AM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
Faith writes:
That is a symbolic law which is not binding now....
How do you determine which Old testament laws are binding now?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1274 of 1484 (838237)
08-16-2018 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Faith
08-16-2018 1:32 PM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
Faith writes:
Everything related to sex and sexuality is discussed in the Law as under the commandment against adultery.
Adultery isn't about sex. In the Old Testament it's a property crime. Theft, coveting and adultery are all closely related.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1276 of 1484 (838241)
08-16-2018 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1275 by NoNukes
08-16-2018 5:42 PM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
NoNukes writes:
... the fact that men could also commit adultery means it wasn't just about men's property.
It's about the other man's property. It's like using his lawnmower without permission.
And in any case, the main concern was that the other man shouldn't leave any of his children behind for you to feed and to claim your property as inheritance.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1279 of 1484 (838265)
08-17-2018 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1277 by Faith
08-16-2018 10:57 PM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
Faith writes:
Jesus explains adultery as lust in the heart, which applies to both men and women and doesn't seem at all related to property.
As I said, it's closely related to coveting, which is about property. As Jesus pointed out, it isn't an action, it's a thought or feeling, like coveting. Adultery is a more specific version of coveting.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1284 of 1484 (838271)
08-17-2018 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1281 by Faith
08-17-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
Faith writes:
Women have always had to read ourselves into biblical admonitions to men....
You have to read a lot of stuff into the Bible when it isn't there.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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