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Capt Stormfield Member (Idle past 455 days) Posts: 428 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
That is the role of charity, which he also mentions: we should give to help the poor, and that is an obligation felt by religious people as he points out, but not by atheists and socialists... You are both ignorant and a liar.
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Capt Stormfield Member (Idle past 455 days) Posts: 428 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
It works as long as the socialistic part doesn't get too big... Interestingly enough, that's how I'd describe the role of leafy green vegetables in a healthy diet. People who don't eat them tend to get ill. People who fetishize them and eat nothing else also get sick. A balanced diet, OTOH, requires a bit of thought. Did you read post 167? Do you understand how a mixed economy works? Do you understand that virtually no one advocates total state control of the economy? Have you noticed how quickly self-described conservatives wet their Depends when it is proposed to end a government program that affects them? When you throw around the word socialism, you are committing the basic semantic fallacy of addressing the word instead of the thing. I understand the motivation. It saves you having to think. Next time someone proposes a program or policy, try looking at the thing itself, rather than throwing a though-stopping label at it. You are, in essence, screaming "My hippie cousin tried to live on an all carrot diet and died so vegetables are bad." Shapiro is saying "Well sure people eat salad, but they only get away with it because they eat other stuff too." Well no shit, Sherlock. Ever consider trying to look at a variety of diets, quantify their balance of inputs, and apply it to your own situation? Oh yeah, I forgot, that's the real and tedious work of the thousands of people who actually do it, and doesn't make for a quick buck on the "here today, gone tomorrow" monetized celeb circuit.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Atheists and socialists and Jesus. ... atheists and socialists who think the poor should be helped by robbing the rich.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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If I recall, Jesus never advocated robbing anyone. I was always taught that the Lord loves a cheerful giver and that one should give willingly rather than being forced.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's just a stupid inflammatory word that Faith used. Jesus did advocate paying your taxes and that's how the money is transferred from rich to poor.
If I recall, Jesus never advocated robbing anyone. Phat writes:
Are you being forced to pay your taxes? Did Jesus tell you to pay your taxes? I was always taught that the Lord loves a cheerful giver and that one should give willingly rather than being forced. Jesus did tell the rich man to sell what he had and give to the poor.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I was always taught that the Lord loves a cheerful giver and that one should give willingly rather than being forced. Correct Phat, if you have to be forced to do what needs doing then Jesus knows you are just a Goat. Whenever you begrudge giving Jesus cries.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's really, really strange that people that call themselve ‘Christians' admire people and vote for economic systems that are the exact opposite of what Jesus's teachings would tell them. I’ll never understand that. You don't have to, because it's not true. Jesus' advocates generous cheerful giving, and hands-on help for those who need it, He certainly doesn't advocate robbing the rich (or really, the middle class) to take care of the poor. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Nobody advocates robbing the rich. Jesus' advocates generous cheerful giving, hands-on help for those who need it, He certainly doesn't advocate robbing the rich (or really, the middle class) to take care of the poor.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Or, in other words, successfully socialized countries aren't really socialized because socialism doesn't work. Gosh, I wonder what's really under that kilt.... A few socialistic programs built on top of a capitalist economy is not a "successfully socialized country" and in any case, yes, it doesn't work. As Shapire lays it out it has unseen effects that add up to econimic disaster that always brings in a right-wing government to try to straighten it out. I find that very interesting.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nobody advocates robbing the rich. No, of course they don't honestly advocate it, they use socialistic euphemisms to cover the fact that they simply DO rob the rich.... and the middle class.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Taxation is not a euphemism for robbery. they use socialistic euphemisms to cover the fact that they simply DO rob the rich....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
... atheists and socialists who think the poor should be helped by robbing the rich. Atheists and socialists and Jesus. What *I* have trouble understanding is how anyone could impute the advocacy of theft to Jesus. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Taxation is not a euphemism for robbery. Not if it's for legitimate governmental uses such as public works, but in the hands of a socialist government robbery is exactly what it is.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's bizarre. If it's collected as taxes, as Jesus advocated, and used to help the poor, as Jesus advocated, it's robbery? Not if it's for legitimate governmental uses such as public works, but in the hands of a socialist government robbery is exactly what it is.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's just a stupid inflammatory word that Faith used. Jesus did advocate paying your taxes and that's how the money is transferred from rich to poor. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Roman Empire wasn't a welfare state. They built a lot of their famous Roman roads and famous aqueducts as I recall, and they paid their armies and other public servants, and did other legitimate public works with the taxes. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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