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Author Topic:   Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate?
ringo
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Message 112 of 353 (838022)
08-12-2018 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
08-12-2018 2:50 PM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
Faith writes:
So much for centuries of hard-won principles of civilization and government.
I've been talking about continuing those hard-won principles and improving on them.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
You're the one who is trying to slam the golden door.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 114 of 353 (838026)
08-12-2018 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
08-12-2018 3:17 PM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
Faith writes:
Ooen Borders and Multiculturalism cannot do that.
It was open borders and multiculturalism that brought my grandparents here a century ago. It was people like you who tried to keep them out because they didn't speak English.
Faith writes:
And I want LEGAL immigration...
I don't know or care whether my grandparents entered the country legally. They contributed their share while they were here. That's all that matters.
Faith writes:
CONTROLLED immigration, which is NOT slamming any doors.
You want to keep out the multiple cultures. That certainly is slamming doors.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 117 of 353 (838032)
08-12-2018 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Faith
08-12-2018 4:30 PM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
Faith writes:
The problem with Multiculturalism is that assimilation is not emphasized and we get these groups of people that don't become part of the main culture, don't learn or accept its principles.
That's the benefit of multiculturalism, not a "problem". Diversity is a strength, not a weakness. It's funny how even the most foaming-at-the-mouth xenophobes understand that inbreeding in animals is a bad thing but they don't understand that an inbred culture has the same kind of weakness.
The principles are not perfect and carved in stone for all time. They have to be improved as new circumstances arise. The influx of different cultures is an excellent way to test the strength of our principles. Unfortunately, people like you fail to understand the very principles that they so viciously pretend to uphold.
Faith writes:
I'm sure this doesn't describe your grandparents, who apparently immigrated to Canada before there was any real need for immigration controls anyway.
As I said, people like you did try to keep my grandparents out, so clearly they did think controls were necessary.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 119 of 353 (838035)
08-12-2018 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Phat
08-12-2018 5:57 PM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
Phat writes:
Being a union man, I respect the idea of seniority.
Seniority is fine. It should count for something, even if only as a sign of loyalty, experience, stabilty, etc. But it shouldn't be seen as an entitlement. If your loyalty, experience, stability, etc. make you competitive overall, then it's an asset to your employer. If not, it's only of value to you.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 122 of 353 (838062)
08-13-2018 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
08-13-2018 2:42 AM


Re: Immigration is OK IF respect is given to those born here.
Phat writes:
This is my prerequisite for immigration---that the domestic aging population is taken care of first.
You're looking at it backwards. The immigrants aren't subtracting from the overall situation; they're adding to it. Strengthening your economy through immigration will only be good for the domestic population.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 139 of 353 (838125)
08-14-2018 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Faith
08-13-2018 8:39 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:
No, socialism redistributes wealth, taking from some to give to others.
Which is the definition of taxation.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 143 of 353 (838132)
08-14-2018 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Faith
08-14-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:
The RIGHT use of taxation is for supporting government itself and public works, not socialistic programs.
Public works is a socialistic program. Note the word "public".
Socialism is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". If you need a road to get to work, you don't have to build your own. The cursed government does it for you.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 144 of 353 (838133)
08-14-2018 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
08-14-2018 12:01 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:
I haven't worked it out yet
Faith's theme song.

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ringo
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Message 151 of 353 (838144)
08-14-2018 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Taq
08-14-2018 1:30 PM


Re: Immigration is OK IF respect is given to those born here.
Taq writes:
I am all for pointing out the hypocrisy of immigrants who are against immigration.
My father was in favour of interning the Japanese during WWII. Ironically, his father was born in Germany.

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ringo
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Message 160 of 353 (838609)
08-24-2018 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Faith
08-24-2018 12:11 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:
Public wqrks is a function of every responsible government, it is not socialism.
Socialism is a function of every responsible government. Arguably, all functions of a responsible government are socialism.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 183 of 353 (838710)
08-26-2018 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
08-26-2018 8:58 AM


Re: Socialism
Faith writes:
... atheists and socialists who think the poor should be helped by robbing the rich.
Atheists and socialists and Jesus.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 185 of 353 (838712)
08-26-2018 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Phat
08-26-2018 2:28 PM


Re: Robber Barons
Phat writes:
If I recall, Jesus never advocated robbing anyone.
That's just a stupid inflammatory word that Faith used. Jesus did advocate paying your taxes and that's how the money is transferred from rich to poor.
Phat writes:
I was always taught that the Lord loves a cheerful giver and that one should give willingly rather than being forced.
Are you being forced to pay your taxes? Did Jesus tell you to pay your taxes?
Jesus did tell the rich man to sell what he had and give to the poor.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 188 of 353 (838715)
08-26-2018 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Faith
08-26-2018 3:14 PM


Re: Socialism is theft
Faith writes:
Jesus' advocates generous cheerful giving, hands-on help for those who need it, He certainly doesn't advocate robbing the rich (or really, the middle class) to take care of the poor.
Nobody advocates robbing the rich.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 191 of 353 (838718)
08-26-2018 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Faith
08-26-2018 3:22 PM


Re: Socialism is theft
Faith writes:
they use socialistic euphemisms to cover the fact that they simply DO rob the rich....
Taxation is not a euphemism for robbery.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 194 of 353 (838721)
08-26-2018 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Faith
08-26-2018 3:28 PM


Re: Socialism is theft
Faith writes:
Not if it's for legitimate governmental uses such as public works, but in the hands of a socialist government robbery is exactly what it is.
That's bizarre. If it's collected as taxes, as Jesus advocated, and used to help the poor, as Jesus advocated, it's robbery?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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