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Thugpreacha
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Message 16 of 1677 (838991)
08-31-2018 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by frako
08-31-2018 10:11 AM


Fraked Up
frako writes:

I think if there will be a rapture, it will happen somewhere around 2030, it's about the time shit will really start hitting the fan because of climate change.

Not only that, China will be fully in charge of global affairs by then, social security will be bankrupt as will the US economy, and the weapons of mass destruction will all be in the nation with the most fundamentalist populists....

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 17 of 1677 (838992)
08-31-2018 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by ringo
08-31-2018 6:17 PM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
What would most likely really happen if you sold everything you own to give it to the poor is that you'd be homeless and have to apply for welfare and they might turn you down when they heard the reason for your poverty. AND you wouldn't be saved. No, I am not contradicting Jesus, you simply don't understand how to read the Bible. He said that in a particular circumstance to a young man He knew was too attached to his wealth, to test him. He was also too attached to his supposed righteousness in obeying the law. It was NOT a principle for all believers or we'd all be on welfare, having become the poor that need support ourselves, and unable to give as we do to support the many causes we support.

Down the centuries there have been occasional believers who have taken that advice for themselves, feeling the Holy Spirit showed them it was for thesmevles, but one I think of immediately became a missionary to a small tribe somewhere, having been called to that. He'd been born into a wealthy family and gave it all up for that calling. But it isn't for all of us, only specific cases like his.


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Faith
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Message 18 of 1677 (838995)
08-31-2018 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Thugpreacha
08-31-2018 8:10 PM


Re: The First Bus
I find it hard to believe that you could say any of that without a twinge of conscience.

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Message 19 of 1677 (838996)
08-31-2018 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tangle
08-31-2018 4:39 AM


This is sad news.

My deepest condolences to her family and friends.

ABE: or not as the case may seem.

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Edited by Larni, : Totally misread the OP.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Dr Adequate
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Message 20 of 1677 (838997)
09-01-2018 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
08-31-2018 9:01 PM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
He said that in a particular circumstance to a young man He knew was too attached to his wealth, to test him.

In fact pretty much everything he said was to specific people under specific circumstances, and so can be ignored.

For example, to use this argument ...

It was NOT a principle for all believers or we'd all be on welfare, having become the poor that need support ourselves ...

... you have to ignore Matthew 6:25 - 34 so goddamn hard.

quote:
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek: ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.


Fortunately using your method of interpreting the Bible we know that this, like all the rest of the Sermon on the Mount, applied only to the people who were actually present at that sermon and can be ignored by actual Christians. Lucky break for you guys, huh? Otherwise you'd have to actually have faith in God, and who has time for that?

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 21 of 1677 (838998)
09-01-2018 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
08-31-2018 10:37 PM


Re: The First Bus
Seriously, if there were any opportunity to convince the members of EvC who are unbelievers that trusting in Jesus is their necessary step, the best way to open their hearts is with humor...not scripture. They are unimpressed with scripture and usually see the hypocrisy in us anyway....so were it my motive to warn them of the "coming wrath" I would and have chosen humor as a vehicle.

And my scriptural support comes from

Matt 10:40-42 writes:

40 "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. 41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."

The bottom line, Faith is our character. Our daily character. Not our religion. Not the scriptures. If I am a prejudiced, authoritarian conservative with no empathy for the poor impoverished masses, no amount of scripture will gain my church any fans. (and by church I mean the called out ones in general)

IF there is such an event as a RAPTURE, unbelievers will have to receive you or I or jaywill or Iano or etc etdc etc....and in so doing will receive the Spirit which we believe works in us.

Quite honestly, I am a poor spokesman for selling trust in Jesus. Hopefully by being honest and funny, I can get people to at least think that I'm not such a bad guy---and by extension, according to Matthew 10:40, they will receive Jesus that way.

Just so everyone knows, I am not trying to convert anyone...but I am not disrespecting the God of Christian Apologetics either. Would you not agree that God has a sense of humor?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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frako
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Message 22 of 1677 (838999)
09-01-2018 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
08-31-2018 9:01 PM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
I tought it was easier for a camel to go trough the eye of a needle then a rich man to get to haven.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Faith
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Message 23 of 1677 (839000)
09-01-2018 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Dr Adequate
09-01-2018 12:24 AM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
I said no such thing. The Sermon on the Mount is for all of us.

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Faith
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Message 24 of 1677 (839001)
09-01-2018 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Thugpreacha
09-01-2018 12:27 AM


Re: The First Bus
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

2Ti 4:2
Preach the word; ... exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine

Rom 10:8
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 25 of 1677 (839002)
09-01-2018 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by frako
09-01-2018 1:56 AM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
I'm talking about ordinary Christians, not the wealthy.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 26 of 1677 (839005)
09-01-2018 9:36 AM
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09-01-2018 6:31 AM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
I said no such thing. The Sermon on the Mount is for all of us.

OK, in that case you are specifically commanded not to consider how poor you would be if you gave everything to the poor, and the problems this would cause, but to trust in God instead.


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Message 27 of 1677 (839006)
09-01-2018 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
08-31-2018 9:01 PM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Faith writes:

He said that in a particular circumstance to a young man He knew was too attached to his wealth, to test him.


The text does not say that. You're making it up.

The rich man asked what he had to do to be saved. Jesus told him to sell what he had and give to the poor. There is no indication that anything else would save him.

Faith writes:

It was NOT a principle for all believers or we'd all be on welfare....


We'd all be giving according to our ability and receiving according to our need.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 28 of 1677 (839007)
09-01-2018 12:37 PM
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09-01-2018 12:27 AM


Re: The First Bus
Phat writes:

They are unimpressed with scripture...,


I am more impressed by scripture than you are. I don't have to embellish it to make it more impressive, like you do.
quote:
Matthew 6:28-29 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Edited by ringo, : Fixed attribution.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 29 of 1677 (839008)
09-01-2018 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ringo
09-01-2018 12:28 PM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
We'd all be giving according to our ability and receiving according to our need.
Dont mistake Marxism for Christianity. Socialism would work if people were basically good....but your naive utopian worldview that we all should look out for the poor while not caring about having the rich join our ideals is too far left even for me...and I'm farther left than Faith is.

And this whole idea of justifying your secular governmental beliefs with what Jesus says...whom you don't believe is more than a character in a book, by the way....irritates me because of several reasons. (jar too)

  • You don't believe that humans need God...that we have the responsibility to fix/change the world and can, in fact, do it. I refuse to slog in the trenches forever with the poor impoverished masses simply for some secular utopian ideal which is more unrealistic than what the apologists claim.

  • It is disingenuous to use the words of Jesus as fodder for your secular utopian idealism when reality suggests that it is evil in this world and we are not all called to give up all that we have for a said ideal. In other words, Jesus message won't work (for me) without there being the promise of God/ Jesus to help us once we have suffered. I can not very well give according to my ability if my ability is squashed. And I do not consider some socialist utopian ideal to be noble in and of itself if the 2% get to hard their stash while thus making me suffer to relieve myself of mine. Perhaps I wouldn't make the cut in a rapture even if it happened...I'll admit I don't let go of my rights and my earned fruits of my labor willingly and easily....

  • Your message also carries no weight due to this:
    The rich man asked what he had to do to be saved. Jesus told him to sell what he had and give to the poor. There is no indication that anything else would save him.
    And yet your message is delivered by a messenger who not only does not believe in salvation but does not believe in Jesus. Secular Humanism is a false counterfeit of religion.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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    Message 30 of 1677 (839009)
    09-01-2018 4:11 PM
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    09-01-2018 3:46 PM


    Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
    Phat writes:

    ... your naive utopian worldview that we all should look out for the poor....


    It's Jesus' ideal.

    Phat writes:

    You don't believe that humans need God...


    As I've said repeatedly, I don't believe we can COUNT on your God. That is evidenced by the fact that the problems still exist. And you have the gall to argue against the solutions.

    Phat writes:

    It is disingenuous to use the words of Jesus as fodder for your secular utopian idealism when reality suggests that it is evil in this world and we are not all called to give up all that we have for a said ideal.


    It is downright DISHONEST of you to claim to believe in Jesus when you reject His message.

    Phat writes:

    I can not very well give according to my ability if my ability is squashed.


    Think that through. OF COURSE you can give according to your ability, no matter what your ability is.

    Phat writes:

    And yet your message is delivered by a messenger who not only does not believe in salvation but does not believe in Jesus.


    You continue to make the mistake of putting the messenger ahead of the message. You worship the envelope and throw the letter away.

    In fact, I believe in Jesus more than you do because I believe in the message.

    Phat writes:

    Secular Humanism is a false counterfeit of religion.


    You have it backwards. Religion is a counterfeit of humanism.

    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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