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Thugpreacha
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Message 31 of 1677 (839010)
09-01-2018 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by ringo
09-01-2018 4:11 PM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
so why not leave the middle class alone? Im by no means a wealthy man. I try and do my best for myself and others..giving away everything would only force society to take care of me, and society is shaky and weak financially right now.

Why not hold the wealthy accountable to help the masses? You claimed before that you dont care what the wealthy do with their money...which puzzles me as you quote scripture to encourage a man of modest means, such as myself to give more and do more. some reasons that we disagree:

  • You evidently believe in secular humanism...and have stated before that you are quite far to the left. Unlike Faith, this does not bother me...I fear conservatives as much as liberals if I fear anyone. The only reason we disagree here is that you insist that people of modest means pay the bill according to their ability. I say the rich should get the bill...while faith would probably say that they earned the right to keep their money. In which case, why not I? I cant retire on prayers and handouts ya know...

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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    Message 32 of 1677 (839011)
    09-01-2018 4:47 PM
    Reply to: Message 31 by Thugpreacha
    09-01-2018 4:19 PM


    Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
    Phat writes:

    Why not hold the wealthy accountable to help the masses? You claimed before that you dont care what the wealthy do with their money...which puzzles me as you quote scripture to encourage a man of modest means, such as myself to give more and do more.


    The working people should take care of each other, not use the rich as a crutch.

    Phat writes:

    The only reason we disagree here is that you insist that people of modest means pay the bill according to their ability. I say the rich should get the bill...


    By leaning on the rich you're just legitimizing the system that caused the problem in the first place.

    Phat writes:

    I cant retire on prayers and handouts ya know...


    You shouldn't have to. If you spend your working life giving according to your ability, you should be able to receive according to your need in your retirement. But instead, you advocate a system where you're expected to grab all you can. The problem with that is that the unscrupulous leave you little to grab.

    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    Faith
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    Message 33 of 1677 (839012)
    09-01-2018 4:50 PM
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    09-01-2018 12:37 PM


    Re: The First Bus
    You attributed a quote to me that is really Phat's, about EvCers being unimpressed with scripture. Please correct.

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    Message 34 of 1677 (839013)
    09-01-2018 4:57 PM
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    09-01-2018 4:50 PM


    Re: The First Bus
    Correction made. Thanks for the heads up.

    Of course, the point applies equally well to you.


    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    Message 35 of 1677 (839014)
    09-01-2018 6:13 PM


    Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?
    Saturday, September 1, 2018

    The Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?

    So why do I believe the Rapture could be as close as this coming Rosh Hashanah? Well, it's mostly a series of personal experiences of things that remind me of such an event, just little personal hints, no major revelations or anything like that, just little things I take as reassurances and proddings from the Lord to be ready. Maybe many people are getting such hints these days.

    In Matthew 24 Jesus says we won't know the day or the hour, but He also gives us the parable of the fig tree as an admonition that we are to watch in order to recognize when it's near. It may be that when it is very close some of us WILL know the day and the hour, but I don't want to stick my neck out on that, and of course it may not happen so soon anyway. All this is just to say it could be close and in any case we should be watching for it.

    This may all be totally crackpot but here are some of the hints I've been getting.

    • 1. The first thing that happened was that end times prophecy came up in a forum discussion. First we discussed the book of Daniel, spending quite a bit of time on the Seventy Weeks prophecy of Daniel 9, and then started getting in to Revelation as well. As I was tracking down references I started noticing the apparent absence of the Church in much of the relevant scripture, how very Old Testament most of Revelation is for instance, and how the Seventy Weeks prophecy is so emphatically focused on Daniel's own people and on Israel. That is what got me started on accepting the Rapture, to explain why the focus is so predominantly on the Jews in the Day of the Lord, and the very fact that this topic was being discussed in such detail was like a portent in itself, leading me to wonder if it could be right around the corner.

    • 2. Then on Christian radio a series on the book of Revelation was announced. That's an unusual topic for a preaching series so that seemed like a portent too.

    • 3. Then I got a phone call from a friend who didn't know I was thinking a lot about the Rapture, to tell me about a video presentation on that subject at You Tube. Another portent. I watched the video and he (Robert Breakers) ended up suggesting it could be on this coming Rosh Hashanah, but as usual I couldn't really be convinced by his reasoning (and besides, he said the Trinity is "one God in three PARTS" which doesn't reassure me that he's theologically up to snuff.). My own feeling about Rosh Hashanah is that it fits with God's pattern of having major events in the Plan of Redemption fall on Jewish Holy Days, and Rosh Hashanah is the next one in line.

    • 4. Somewhere in here -- I probably have these things out of order -- I found myself wishing to hear the book of Revelation read aloud. There is a Bible reading program on the radio which I hadn't heard in a week or so, and I wondered if it was getting close to Revelation. Later that night I just happened to turn on the radio to that program just after it started on the reading of Revelation 5 through 14.

    • 5. Another time I just happened to turn on the radio in time to hear a favorite Bible verse spoken. These things remind me that God is there and I'm in His thoughts, and they give me a spiritual sort of goose bumps.

    • 6. I took a break from all this to rent a movie on Amazon video, decided to watch one called "The Impossible" about the tsunami that hit Southeast Asia in 2004 and how it affected one family. The night before the disaster the family sent up some floating lanterns. It didn't ring any bells at the time but later in the context of the accumulating portents it seemed to add another: the image of lanterns rising into the sky an allusion to the Rapture of course, and the fact that the tsunami hit the next morning completes the picture of the Rapture as the trigger for the Day of the Lord, or the Great Tribulation.

    • 7. (I'll mention here something that's related but DOESN'T work as a portent: The lanterns in the tsunami film are the same kind that are sent up by the thousands in the Disney animated film "Tangled" which I enjoy enough to watch over from time to time. In brief it is a reimagining of the story of Rapunzel who was held captive in a tower. She is able to escape with the help of a thief for the purpose of watching a yearly display of these lanterns she's seen from her tower window. It's the story of an exodus that ends up in her discovering that she's a princess and being united to her royal family, and that is a way it DOES more or less parallel the idea of the Rapture. And the scenes with the lanterns, which are also a sort of picture of the Rapture are nicely done, quite beautiful. BUT that is the end of the similarity. It's a happily-ever-after fairy tale, and it didn't just suddenly recently enter my life either. There is no following Tribulation, though plenty of tribulation at various times in the story. I watched it again recently and the reason I'm reporting it here is to emphasize that it's not one of the things that work as a portent, though there are plenty of others that do. So although I may be emotionally noting these things they do have to work as portents, I'm not straining things to make them fit.)

    • 8. Before this some time but I don't know when, I remembered my move in November of last year, which in retrospect strikes me as a sort of picture of the Rapture. My brother was helping me move things out of my old apartment when he realized it was getting late and he had to get me to an appointment at my new apartment forty miles away, which is near where he lives. We dropped everything and rushed to the appointment. To save him another trip I stayed in the new apartment that night because it had enough furniture and other things to make that possible, thinking I'd return to the old apartment the next day. But I didn't return. That ended up being my moving-in day and others finished moving out my things from the old place. I had very little of my own in the new apartment, he and my sister-in-law had stocked me with a lot of new things. The suddenness and unexpectedness of the move from an old place to a new one, taking nothing with me, hits me as a portent.

    • 9. Then a week or two ago someone emailed me a link to the video of the Boat Lift of 9/11, which is the story of how something like half a million people were rescued by boat during the attack on the World Trade Center. They were stranded at the south end of Manhattan at the edge of the water, all the roads being closed, having no way off the island. The film shows them gathered there with the WTC burning behind them, then shows them engulfed in the cloud of debris when the buildings fell. The story is about how pilots of the boats that are always in the area, from ferries to tug boats, rallied to the cause of transporting them off the island. It's a very touching story and you can find it at You Tube. AND it's the story of an unusual exodus to escape tribulation. Another portent.

    • 10. More recently there was a headline on the Yahoo news page about a teacher who asked kids to decide who they would leave behind if Earth was going to be destroyed and only a certain number could be removed to another planet: https://www.msn.com/...eave-behind’-sparks-uproar/ar-BBMv707 A strange but from my point of view very timely picture of something similar to the Rapture idea.

    So maybe all this just shows me to be a crackpot, but I'm posting as much as I can remember of these little hints because I think they may very well add up to a portent and there are enough of them to give pause to a too-ready dismissiveness. You can decide for yourself.

    Now THIS will really show me to be a crackpot: Recently I clearly saw in my mind's eye the date "SEPT 10." Make of it what you will.

    This year Rosh Hashanah starts at sunset on September 9 and runs to sunset of September 11, since the holiday is frequently celebrated on two days although it was initially just the first day of the month of Tishri which begins the Jewish New Year. Until I "saw" that date I had September 11 in mind since it seemed fitting that the Rapture might fall on the anniversary of the WTC attack. On the other hand the day before is perhaps more appropriate since 9/11 is more of a picture of Tribulation than exodus, the Boat Lift notwithstanding. And of course, the actual first day of Tishri is the 10th.

    There are two very brief passages in scripture that define this rather cryptic holiday: Numbers 29:1 and Leviticus 23:24-25 which I quote:

    Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, in the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein, but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

    No explanation is given, it's just that the seventh month of the year is also the first month of a year based on the harvest so it's announced with the blowing of the shofar which sounds like a trumpet, a hundred blasts according to one source I found.

    I pondered the fact that Israel would probably be the center of Rosh Hashanah ceremonies. How does the Lord deal with the time differences around the world for such an event as the Rapture? Israel time is ten hours later than my local daylight time. That is, if it's 8 PM here, it's 6 AM the next day in Israel. I mention 8 PM because that is about sunset here these days and I was thinking I'd take some coffee (and challah bread if I had any) and sit outside on the balcony from about that time on the evening of September 9th, anticipating the possibility of midnight for the blowing of the shofar heralding the Rapture. Of course that means somehow it will happen on local time even though I have no idea how that could be possible. It just doesn't seem right that it wouldn't happen at the start of the actual first day of Tishri everywhere.

    But if the Rapture occurs on Israel time I'd need to start watching about 10 AM on the 9th which would be their sunset which would be when they blow the shofar there. I don't want to be out on the balcony in the heat so I'll start watching from inside.

    Of course I may be sitting there a long time and have to conclude this was all my overwrought imagination in the end.

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    Message 36 of 1677 (839015)
    09-02-2018 2:50 AM
    Reply to: Message 35 by Faith
    09-01-2018 6:13 PM


    Re: Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?
    Fath writes:

    This may all be totally crackpot ....

    Yup.

    When you buy a new car you see copies of it everywhere but before you never noticed them. You've become sensitised to this particular idea so you'll see it everyhere you look. The lanterns in Japan are an absolute classic example, they had nothing at all to do with the rapture, your mind simply invented the link.

    It's the same psychological conditioning that happens when you and other believers talk about the ‘miracles’ you claim to have witnessed or the way god 'talks' to you - they all turn out to be everyday mundanities. Seeing Jesus's face in a piece of toast - same thing. All connected to confirmation bias and motivated thinking.

    You'll be here on 11th September and 1st October and you'll stay firmly rooted to this planet until you're put into it and form part of it.


    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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    Faith
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    Message 37 of 1677 (839017)
    09-02-2018 7:59 AM
    Reply to: Message 36 by Tangle
    09-02-2018 2:50 AM


    Re: Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?
    Could be. But I'm familiar with that phenomenon and having so many reminders come up of something not so recognizable as a car, not to mention a phone call and relevant radio programs that just happen to be on the air the moment I just happen to sit down and turn it on …. The lanterns are just a nice image of things rising into the sky, and not often seen in this part of the world either, like never? so it's hard to avoid the connection (it wasn't Japan, but a country in Southeast Asia -- looked it up: Khao Lak, Thailand). Oh and I really did SEE the date in my mind, a date different from the one I'd been favoring.

    But you could be right, I'll leave it at that.

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    Message 38 of 1677 (839018)
    09-02-2018 8:24 AM
    Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
    09-02-2018 7:59 AM


    Re: Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?
    Faith writes:

    But you could be right, I'll leave it at that.

    I AM right Faith and what's more I can prove it. You won't be raptured on the 10th September or anytime this month.

    Now that IS a prophesy. None of this interpretation, ambiguity, context, language, translation garbage. A straight forward and understandable by all prediction.

    And in fact you will never be raotured. That's another prediction that can be proven right or wrong; but it'll take a bit longer. I hope, for your sake.


    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
    - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 39 of 1677 (839086)
    09-03-2018 6:10 AM
    Reply to: Message 38 by Tangle
    09-02-2018 8:24 AM


    Re: Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?
    I AM right Faith and what's more I can prove it. You won't be raptured on the 10th September or anytime this month.
    You can't know what will happen tomorrow. No one can. We can have a high degree of certainty based on scientific law...that the sun will rise tomorrow, for instance. we can even speculate that earth will exist in 200 years. Science gives us a limited degree of certainty but is not infallible.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 40 of 1677 (839087)
    09-03-2018 6:14 AM
    Reply to: Message 32 by ringo
    09-01-2018 4:47 PM


    Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
    ringo writes:

    If you spend your working life giving according to your ability, you should be able to receive according to your need in your retirement. But instead, you advocate a system where you're expected to grab all you can. The problem with that is that the unscrupulous leave you little to grab.

    Reality shows me that whether or not I advocate a capitalist system, it is likely to remain the status quo until it fails to6tally. Socialism scares me, because unscrupulous people exist regardless of the system favored. The humanist philosophy that people can learn to be good has no real proof, so far.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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    Tangle
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    Message 41 of 1677 (839088)
    09-03-2018 6:17 AM
    Reply to: Message 39 by Thugpreacha
    09-03-2018 6:10 AM


    Re: Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?
    Phat writes:

    You can't know what will happen tomorrow. No one can. We can have a high degree of certainty based on scientific law...that the sun will rise tomorrow, for instance. we can even speculate that earth will exist in 200 years. Science gives us a limited degree of certainty but is not infallible.

    I can prove what I predict, infallibly. On the 11th September, I will be proven correct and Faith will be proven wrong. No wriggle-room.

    You're a gambling man Phat, I'll put my house on it - will you take it?

    If you want an accumulator, I'll bet on the sun coming up tomorrow. You?


    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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    Message 42 of 1677 (839098)
    09-03-2018 10:46 AM
    Reply to: Message 39 by Thugpreacha
    09-03-2018 6:10 AM


    Re: Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?
    I AM right Faith and what's more I can prove it. You won't be raptured on the 10th September or anytime this month.

    You can't know what will happen tomorrow. No one can. We can have a high degree of certainty based on scientific law...that the sun will rise tomorrow, for instance. we can even speculate that earth will exist in 200 years. Science gives us a limited degree of certainty but is not infallible.

    In this circumstance, what Tangle is asserting is that he can claim with absolute certainty that Faith will not be raptured because the concept of rapture is an unproven phenomenon. Granted, science cannot predict the future, but we can make statements of fact in circumstances for which there is no tangible frame of reference for a particular argument.

    If for example, someone claimed they will be turning into a frog on a given date, I can respond with absolute certainty that they will not be turning into a frog on that date or any date for that matter because there is no mechanism that can turn a human into a frog.

    While predictability and probability can be leveraged for concepts within the natural world, such as making predictions on the likelihood of someone being eaten by a shark or being struck by lightning, those prediction mechanisms are not required when dealing with metaphysical assertions.


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    Message 43 of 1677 (839099)
    09-03-2018 10:52 AM
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    09-03-2018 10:46 AM


    Re: Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Signs and Portents?
    OK I think I understand the position.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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    Message 44 of 1677 (839102)
    09-03-2018 11:43 AM
    Reply to: Message 40 by Thugpreacha
    09-03-2018 6:14 AM


    Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
    Phat writes:

    Socialism scares me, because unscrupulous people exist regardless of the system favored. The humanist philosophy that people can learn to be good has no real proof, so far.

    Scared of socialism? Sheesh, that's the entirety of the Christian message - love thy neighbour and do as you would be done by. This is why Christians get a bad name, they love getting on their knees and hailing the wonders of the Lord, but ignore his instructions because it doesn't suit them.

    The humanist philosophy is that people are human, flaws and all, but that we should build humane societies that have the needs of everyone taken into account and provides a fair crack for all. And again, it's a fundamental Christian principle that people can be redeemed. What on earth are you think about Phat?


    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
    - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 45 of 1677 (839103)
    09-03-2018 11:53 AM
    Reply to: Message 44 by Tangle
    09-03-2018 11:43 AM


    Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
    The humanist philosophy is that people are human, flaws and all, but that we should build humane societies that have the needs of everyone taken into account and provides a fair crack for all. And again, it's a fundamental Christian principle that people can be redeemed. What on earth are you think about Phat?
    This was more directed at ringo. He claims that he has never made as much in his life as I have, yet he insists I lower my lifestyle for the benefit of the secular brethren.

    You bring up that Jesus would likely approve. I can't argue with you guys about this point.

    It pisses me off though. Where is my liferaft?

    You have said that you have money, Tangle. Would you want to give it all up?

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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