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Topic: Tribute Thread For the Recently Raptured Faith
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 9 of 1677 (838972)
08-31-2018 12:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
08-31-2018 8:19 AM
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We want you to see how much you'll be missed.
Faith writes: And besides again, I wouldn't be the only one from EvC to be raptured. Phat, jaywill, mike the wiz, ICANT, marc9000, iano and some I'm no doubt forgetting.
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Will they have Mogen David in Heaven?
Dear Lord, we'd all like to know
Will they have Mogen David in Heaven, sweet Jesus?
If they don't, who the hell wants to go? -- Larry Gatlin
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 12 of 1677 (838984)
08-31-2018 6:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 10 by Faith
08-31-2018 5:45 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Faith writes: Timing issues aside, if anyone has even a smidgen of an inkling that any of this might be true...
If I had a smidgen of an inkling that it was true, I'd sell what I have and give to the poor (Matthew 19:21).
And our geese will blot out the sun.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 10 by Faith, posted 08-31-2018 5:45 PM | | Faith has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 14 of 1677 (838986)
08-31-2018 6:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by Faith
08-31-2018 6:07 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Faith writes: That would be a start, I suppose, but it wouldn't save you.
You contradict Jesus.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 17 by Faith, posted 08-31-2018 9:01 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 27 of 1677 (839006)
09-01-2018 12:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
08-31-2018 9:01 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Faith writes: He said that in a particular circumstance to a young man He knew was too attached to his wealth, to test him.
The text does not say that. You're making it up. The rich man asked what he had to do to be saved. Jesus told him to sell what he had and give to the poor. There is no indication that anything else would save him.
Faith writes: It was NOT a principle for all believers or we'd all be on welfare....
We'd all be giving according to our ability and receiving according to our need.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 28 of 1677 (839007)
09-01-2018 12:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
09-01-2018 12:27 AM
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Re: The First Bus
Phat writes: They are unimpressed with scripture...,
I am more impressed by scripture than you are. I don't have to embellish it to make it more impressive, like you do.
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Matthew 6:28-29 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed attribution.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 30 of 1677 (839009)
09-01-2018 4:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Phat
09-01-2018 3:46 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Phat writes: ... your naive utopian worldview that we all should look out for the poor....
It's Jesus' ideal.
Phat writes: You don't believe that humans need God...
As I've said repeatedly, I don't believe we can COUNT on your God. That is evidenced by the fact that the problems still exist. And you have the gall to argue against the solutions.
Phat writes: It is disingenuous to use the words of Jesus as fodder for your secular utopian idealism when reality suggests that it is evil in this world and we are not all called to give up all that we have for a said ideal.
It is downright DISHONEST of you to claim to believe in Jesus when you reject His message.
Phat writes: I can not very well give according to my ability if my ability is squashed.
Think that through. OF COURSE you can give according to your ability, no matter what your ability is.
Phat writes: And yet your message is delivered by a messenger who not only does not believe in salvation but does not believe in Jesus.
You continue to make the mistake of putting the messenger ahead of the message. You worship the envelope and throw the letter away. In fact, I believe in Jesus more than you do because I believe in the message.
Phat writes: Secular Humanism is a false counterfeit of religion.
You have it backwards. Religion is a counterfeit of humanism.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 29 by Phat, posted 09-01-2018 3:46 PM | | Phat has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 31 by Phat, posted 09-01-2018 4:19 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 32 of 1677 (839011)
09-01-2018 4:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 31 by Phat
09-01-2018 4:19 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Phat writes: Why not hold the wealthy accountable to help the masses? You claimed before that you dont care what the wealthy do with their money...which puzzles me as you quote scripture to encourage a man of modest means, such as myself to give more and do more.
The working people should take care of each other, not use the rich as a crutch.
Phat writes: The only reason we disagree here is that you insist that people of modest means pay the bill according to their ability. I say the rich should get the bill...
By leaning on the rich you're just legitimizing the system that caused the problem in the first place.
Phat writes: I cant retire on prayers and handouts ya know...
You shouldn't have to. If you spend your working life giving according to your ability, you should be able to receive according to your need in your retirement. But instead, you advocate a system where you're expected to grab all you can. The problem with that is that the unscrupulous leave you little to grab.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 40 by Phat, posted 09-03-2018 6:14 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 34 of 1677 (839013)
09-01-2018 4:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Faith
09-01-2018 4:50 PM
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Re: The First Bus
Correction made. Thanks for the heads up. Of course, the point applies equally well to you. 
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 48 of 1677 (839108)
09-03-2018 12:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 40 by Phat
09-03-2018 6:14 AM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Phat writes: Reality shows me that whether or not I advocate a capitalist system, it is likely to remain the status quo until it fails to6tally.
But it isn't the status quo. You already have some socialist programs. You could advocate catching up with the rest of the civilized world.
Phat writes: The humanist philosophy that people can learn to be good has no real proof, so far.
Of course it does have proof. We learned that slavery is wrong, didn't we? Why can't we learn to take care of the poor and sick too? We do have a problem with religious types like you who advocate against what Jesus taught but maybe even religious types can learn to be good. Or maybe they will be raptured and leave the rest of us in a golden age of humanism.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 50 of 1677 (839111)
09-03-2018 12:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 45 by Phat
09-03-2018 11:53 AM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Phat writes: ... he insists I lower my lifestyle for the benefit of the secular brethren.
No. You're the one that assumes being fair to the poor and the sick will hurt your cushy lifestyle. I have said more than once that helping the poor and the sick would improve productivity and help the economy.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 51 of 1677 (839113)
09-03-2018 1:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 46 by Faith
09-03-2018 12:11 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Faith writes: Christianity is NOT socialist because giving is voluntary, not forced on us by authority as socialism is.
Still wrong, no matter how many times you repeat it. The principle is that everything you "own" belongs to God. The authority is God.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 54 of 1677 (839131)
09-03-2018 2:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
09-03-2018 1:03 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Faith writes: Absolutely, everything I own belongs to God, but nevertheless He gives me the freedom to give it as I choose.
And if you make the wrong choices, you're a goat, no matter how loudly you say, "Lord! Lord!" Socialism helps you to make the right choices.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 60 of 1677 (839155)
09-04-2018 11:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Phat
09-03-2018 3:21 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Phat writes: mandatory socialism is the religion of the antichrist
That's just a stupid right-wing sound bite, without a germ of truth to it. You should be ashamed of yourself.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 61 of 1677 (839157)
09-04-2018 11:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 57 by Phat
09-03-2018 4:41 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Phat writes: And mandatory taxation is no substitute.
Jesus told you to pay your taxes. What part of that do you not understand?
Phat writes: Don't you get that we don't trust collective humanity to dictate our giving?
You contradict Jesus all the time. Why should anybody trust YOU to give properly?
Phat writes: ... yet you give no importance to the messenger...
Of course I don't. The messenger is the envelope. Pay attention to the message.
Phat writes: ...while I insist that I must hear from Him directly and won't accept some form of government as a substitute.
You're just looking for anything to excuse your disobedience.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 70 of 1677 (839386)
09-07-2018 3:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
09-07-2018 3:34 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
Faith writes: But as long as we're around we will be persecuted for opposing it no matter what you say.
If you set the bar for "persecution" low enough. Monty Python comes to mind - the Spanish Inquisition and THE COMFY CHAIR.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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