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Message 61 of 1677 (839157)
09-04-2018 11:48 AM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Phat writes:
And mandatory taxation is no substitute.
Jesus told you to pay your taxes. What part of that do you not understand?
Phat writes:
Don't you get that we don't trust collective humanity to dictate our giving?
You contradict Jesus all the time. Why should anybody trust YOU to give properly?
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... yet you give no importance to the messenger...
Of course I don't. The messenger is the envelope. Pay attention to the message.
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...while I insist that I must hear from Him directly and won't accept some form of government as a substitute.
You're just looking for anything to excuse your disobedience.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 62 of 1677 (839181)
09-04-2018 6:21 PM


The Antichrist of the Great Tribulation
Here's another post I made at my blog. somewhat altered for EvC.
Tuesday, September 4, 2018
The Antichrist of the Tribulation / Day of the LORD
People who don't give much credence to the Bible aren't going to care much what it says about the Antichrist, but since he’s a major player in most current futurist interpretations of what is to happen during the Great Tribulation, it seems relevant to post it in the context of a possible soon-coming Rapture of the Church, which will inaugurate that seven-year tribulation period.
I collected some references from a CD by Chris Pinto, who got his list from a book titled What Luther Says, by E.M. Plass, a book I can’t afford at the moment though it sounds like a must-have. He lists many who came before the Reformers who called the papacy the Antichrist, which ought to dispel the accusation of Luther that he made it up in retaliation for being excommunicated. (As a matter of fact it took him about five years to become fully convinced from scripture and history that the Pope was indeed the Antichirst.)
Soon-coming Rapture and Tribulation or not, the Church itself needs to recover the understanding that the Antichrist is the Pope, which used to be commonly recognized but has been lost in recent times. In the Tribulation he will loom large, but he is the Antichrist now as well as he will be then.
Although the Pope is an unlikely Antichrist as we've come to picture the man we associate with End Times events, he does have all the necessary characteristics as laid out by the Protestant Reformers and their predecessors. While there is really no doubt as to the identity of the Pope as Antichrist, there may be some legitimate questions about exactly what role he'll play in the Day of the Lord or Great Tribulation, since he could play False Prophet to a political figure as the Pope in Hitler's day did for Hitler.
The Day of the LORD is generally understood to occur during the Seventieth Week of Daniel's prophecy of the Seventy Weeks, which was not fulfilled in the time of the coming of Christ and is therefore understood to have been put off to the future. It is now considered to be bracketed by two stages of the Second Coming of Christ, the first to Rapture His Church, and the second or last to return as conquerer of the entire world. In between there is to be the Day of the Lord or Great Tribulation of seven years.
Here is the main scripture that is taken to describe the Antichrist:
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The Pope is primarily identified as the Antichrist from the little horn of Daniel 7:8, and also from this passage quoted above. The "falling away" is also known as the Great Apostasy, and these days the futurists point to current deviations in the many churches from the gospel truth. And that certainly has to be a major part of the apostasy (And here's a link to Jan Markell's latest summary of this current falling away), but the Reformers, especially Martin Luther I believe, identified it as the doctrines of the Roman Church, though today there is a lot of ignorance and apathy about this fact among Protestants. The "man of sin" also known as the "son of perdition" is identified with the Pope. It is his role as "Vicar of Christ" by which he "opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God" and he "sits in the temple of God" because the people of Christ are now the "temple of God." I've posted on the Latin title VICARIVS FILII DEI, which means Vicar of Christ or literally, "Substitute" or "In the place of the Son of God" showing that the Latin letters which are also Roman numerals add up to 666.
The following is a much shortened list from a site called Revelation Timeline that includes all those who testified that the papacy is the Antichrist that Chris Pinto mentioned.
Historical Witnesses Against Antichrist Summary
Arnulf (991), the Bishop of Orleans, proclaimed the Pope as the Antichrist, sitting in the temple of God, and showing himself as God.
Gherbert of Rheims (1000) said; the Pope was the antichrist sitting in the temple of God.
In the book of Waldensian Pastor Leger called Treatise on Antichrist written in 1120, said That treatise brands the Romish Church as the harlot Babylon, and the Papacy as the man of sin and antichrist.
John Wycliffe (1330-1384) Who translated the Latin Vulgate Bible into English, said Antichrist, the head of all these evil men, is the pope of Rome.
John Purvey (1354—1414), one of the leading followers of the English theologian and reformer John Wycliffe; said the Papacy was the kingdom of the Antichrist.
John Huss (1372-1415), a well-educated man from Bohemia, who came under the influence of Wycliffe’s writings, which caused him to break with the church of Rome; proclaimed the Antichrist has been revealed in the Pope for which he was burned to death.
William Tyndale (1493-1536) was an English scholar who became a leading figure in Protestant Reformation; said the Pope is the antichrist and his doctrine sprung of the devil.
Huldreich Zwingli (1484-1531) was a great Swiss Reformer; proclaimed the might and power of the Devil, that is, of the Antichrist the Papacy has to be abolished.
John Calvin (1509-1564) was an influential French theologian and pastor during the Protestant Reformation; said we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist.
Martin Luther was an Augustinian monk, who the Father called out of the Papal Church. declared We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist.
Philipp Melanchthon (1497-1560), a German Reformer, said that the Roman Pontiff is the antichrist.
Confession of the Glastonbury Congregation (1551)French refugees in England who first gathered under Calvin and Farel; Moreover I renounce the Pope as the Roman Antichrist, and his whole doctrine and religion
In 1555 Hugh Latimer, Bishop of Worcester; said before being burned to death, What fellowship have Christ with Antichrist? Therefore it is not lawful to bear the yoke with the Papists. Come forth from among them, and separate yourselves from them, saith the Lord.’
Nicholas Ridley (1555), English Bishop of London; said before being burned to death that the See of Rome is the seat of Satan.
Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556) as the Archbishop of Canterbury, he was responsible for establishing the first doctrinal and liturgical structures of the reformed Church of England; said before being burned to death that the Pope is Christ’s enemy, and the antichrist.
Henry Adlington, Laurence Pernam, Henry Wye, William Halliwel, Thomas Bowyer, George Searles, Edmund Hurst, Lyon Cawch, Ralph Jackson, John Derifall, John Routh, Elizabeth Pepper, and Agnes George (1556); were all burnt in one fire, for proclaiming the Pope as Antichrist under the devil. Agnes Prest (1557) was burned to death for proclaiming that the Pope is the Antichrist and the devil.
John Knox (1505-1572) was a great leader of the Reformation in Scotland; said the pope should be recognized as the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks.
Heinrich Bullinger (1504-1575) was Zwingli’s intimate friend and succeeded him as chief pastor of the Zurich Cathedral; said the Little Horn is the kingdom of the Roman pope.
The Geneva Study Bible (1556) included study notes from the Protestant Reformers, that all proclaimed that the Popes of Rome were the antichrist beast.
The Church of England declared that the Papal Church of Rome is the Babylonian beast, saying that the Pope is antichrist, and the Man of Sin.
The Church of Scotland Confession of Faith (1603) declared the Pope as the Antichrist, the man of sin and son of perdition.
The Irish Articles of Religion of 1615 testified that the Bishop of Rome is the Man of Sin.
The London Baptist Confession of 1689, proclaims that the Popes of Rome is the antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ.
Westminster Confession of Faith (1649) which was ratified and established by Act of Parliament in 1649. states that the Popes of Rome is the antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church.
Cotton Mather (1663-1728) in his book, Fall of Babylon,; said that all the characteristics of Antichrist are answered in the Popes of Rome.
Sir Isaac Newton (1643-1727) was an English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist, and also a faithful expositor of Bible prophecy; taught that the Church of Rome was the Little Horn of Daniel.
John Wesley (1703-1791), an Anglican cleric and Christian theologian,; said that the whole succession of popes from Gregory VII. are undoubtedly Antichrist.
Jonathan Edwards, an American preacher and theologian, who is perhaps best known for his role in the Great Awakenings of the mid 1700’s; said that the greatest and most cruel enemy of the Church of Christ is the church of Rome.
Dr. H. Grattan Guinness (1835-) pointed to the Roman Catholic Popes as the little horn power of Daniel 7, the Man of Sin in 2nd Thessalonians and the Beast of Revelation 13.
Reverend J. A.Wylie (1808 — 1890) in his Preface to The Papacy is the Antichrist; says that the Roman system is the predicted Apostacy.
{compiler of this list: David Nikao
For more detailed quotes from the above people who testified against the Popes of Rome, as the Little Horn of Daniel 7, the Son of Perdition of 2 Thessalonians 2, and the antichrist beast of Revelation 13; read Historical Witnesses Against
The passage in Thessalonians goes on to say that this man of sin had not yet been revealed in Paul's time, so he is only hinting at it in writing, having told the Thessalonians in person at an earlier time. Today it is thought that what restrains the revelation of some yet-unknown Antichrist is the Holy Spirit, or the Church, but the Reformers understood Paul to be referring to the Roman Empire or the Caesars who were still in power, which explains why he wouldn't identify them in writing. And this makes sense if you recognize that the Pope has taken the place of the Caesars with their title Pontifex Maximus and their Roman garb, and his presiding over an institution that over time acquired most of the trappings of the Roman pagan religions, including putting various Christian "saints" in the place of some of the Roman gods and encouraging prayers to them as to gods.
2 Thess 2:6-9 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
If there is to be a Rapture very soon, I would hope it might jar some people awake to the truth of the God of the Bible and salvation through Christ. But I suppose many people will actually like the New World Order under the Antichrist Pope, at least before God's wrath falls on it all.
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ABE: Some historical information.
Those who identified the Pope as the Antichrist saw the Antichrist papal system as having developed in the year 606 (about the same time Islam conquered the Eastern Roman Empire). I think it was the Byzantine Emperor who referred to Pope Gregory the Great as "universal bishop" to which Gregory replied that anyone who accepted that title would be a forerunner of Antichrist. Then the next Pope, Boniface, DID accept it as it was given to him by the Byzantine Emperor Phocas. Gregory the Great was thought by the Reformers to be the last legitimate Bishop of Rome, all those following being the Antichrist papal system. Over the ensuing years the Church of Rome accumulated the superstitions of pagan Rome that came to characterize its functions. Relics, prayers to saints, the rosary, and so on. This is all addressed in a book titled The History of Romanism by John Dowling, but I think Luther also addressed it, which would be in the book What Luther Says, by Plass.
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Message 63 of 1677 (839219)
09-05-2018 12:58 PM
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09-03-2018 4:41 PM


Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
Phat writes:
I insist that I must hear from Him directly and won't accept some form of government as a substitute.
quote:
As the flood waters rose to toward the first floor a rescue vehicle offered to take the man to safety, but he declined, saying God would take care of him. As the flood waters rose toward the second floor men in a row boat offered to take the man to safety, but he declined, saying God would take care of him. As the flood waters rose past the second floor and forced the man to his roof a helicopter offered to take the man to safety, but he declined, saying God would take care of him. Later in heaven God saw the man and exclaimed in surprise, "What happened? I sent a rescue vehicle, a row boat and a helicopter."
We can never know the manner of God's answers.
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Message 64 of 1677 (839227)
09-05-2018 2:00 PM
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Re: If I'm raptured there will be millions of others raptured too
I've always preferred this version.
quote:
Every night, David would fervently pray to God to let him win the lottery.
"I am your faithful servant, my Lord, and yet I live in poverty and need. I have so little time to worship you when it takes so much to make ends meet. Please, just let me win the lottery and I will dedicate the funds and the rest of my life to spreading your gospel.
And yet, week after week, he would not win. And so it went on, day after day, week after week. David struggled to get by, he prayed fervently, and he didn't win the lottery.
Eventually, he was near the end of his wits. He had believed that God was real and responded to prayer, but was it all just a lie? That his faithful servant who gave so much would be ignored and rejected?
Angrily he ran out of his flat, shaking his fist at the heavens and crying in a rage. "Why have you forsaken me, God?! Are you even there? Is my request so much after a lifetime of dutiful service?!"
David's rant was cut short as the earth shook beneath him. He feel to his knees in shock as the very heavens themselves rent apart. A blinding, dazzling light blazed forth and bathed all in unearthly hues, while a voice that was at once heard and not heard washed over his being and penetrated his very soul.
"For My sake, David, buy a fucking ticket!"

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Message 65 of 1677 (839310)
09-06-2018 8:33 AM


Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
I mentioned that a collection of essays in a book titled The Coming Pagan Utopia is being read on my local Christian radio. So far it's only covered the first chapter, basically how Utopian visions always end up as totalitarian Dystopias.
It does a good job of characterizing opinions I've heard for decades, and we hear every day now, such as at EvC, that point to the popularity of this pagan utopian idea, which can be summarized as all the aspirations of humanity toward the creation of a perfect world without God. It's built on ideas that go back to Bacon and Nietzsche and Marx and Bertrand Russell and H.G. Wells. It includes manipulations of human beings ourselves to create the perfect version of us since evolution isn't doing a speedy enough job of it, and may not have the right idea anyway as it were.
If Christians, we fundies anyway, stick around for a while, we'll be protesting this vision and trying to expose its dangers, which of course makes us unwelcome in this brave new world. If we do stick around, the modern version of the Inquisition will probably get us since you can't have dissenting voices when you're trying to create the perfect religious vision of the perfect world. You'd think by now it would have been learned that utopia always requires censorship, controlled conformity, oppression, tyranny and the death of difficult people, i.e. the current flavor of heretics; but no, this lesson is never learned.
But maybe we'll get Raptured out of the way and all this utopian misery can have free course. It makes me cry for the millions, no, billions, of simple ordinary people who have no idea what's about to happen to them.
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Message 66 of 1677 (839352)
09-06-2018 10:27 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
Well, what in particular would you object to?
"Manipulations of human beings" in attempts intended to make them better would include all sorts of things, from teaching them trigonometry to making them say the Pledge of Allegiance to indoctrinating them from a young age in Christianity. Where would you wish to draw the line?

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Message 67 of 1677 (839354)
09-07-2018 12:06 AM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
Punishments, imprisonments, executions for objecting to the governmental system, particular pagan doctrines, and that sort of thing.

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Message 68 of 1677 (839358)
09-07-2018 2:36 AM
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09-06-2018 8:33 AM


Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
Faith writes:
If we do stick around, the modern version of the Inquisition will probably get us since you can't have dissenting voices when you're trying to create the perfect religious vision of the perfect world.
It's ok Faith, you're perfectly safe to get on with your praying and grovelling to your maker while we get on with trying to make the world a better place. Nobody cares about your batshit ideas so long as you don't try to impose them on others. You'll just fade away into total irrelevance over time.
For example I heard today that the UK's majority religious belief is no belief - 52%. Protestant belief has decline from 40% to 14% over 50 years. I'm really sorry, you're just not worth persecuting - you're just fading away.
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Message 69 of 1677 (839385)
09-07-2018 3:34 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
So you're all set up now for the One World Pagan Religion. It could be that even YOU might oppose it at some point and be persecuted for it.
But as long as we're around we will be persecuted for opposing it no matter what you say. It includes all this gay marriage and all-genders stuff that we have to oppose if it's imposed on us, as the gay marriage stuff has been imposed on wedding businesses.
At this point I really don't WANT to be around but I got another "portent" yesterday that contradicts the others. Sigh.
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Message 70 of 1677 (839386)
09-07-2018 3:45 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
Faith writes:
But as long as we're around we will be persecuted for opposing it no matter what you say.
If you set the bar for "persecution" low enough. Monty Python comes to mind - the Spanish Inquisition and THE COMFY CHAIR.

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Message 71 of 1677 (839389)
09-07-2018 4:04 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
Faith writes:
So you're all set up now for the One World Pagan Religion. It could be that even YOU might oppose it at some point and be persecuted for it.
Look, if you're going to chuck insults around at least get the name-calling right.
quote:
Paganism : a religion that has many gods or goddesses, considers the earth holy, and does not have a central authority
Ask yourself, how can atheism be paganism?
But as long as we're around we will be persecuted for opposing it no matter what you say.
Get over yourself, so long as you get on with your own grovelling to your weird idol, the rest of us will just get on with creating a better society and happily leave y'all alone.
It includes all this gay marriage and all-genders stuff that we have to oppose if it's imposed on us, as the gay marriage stuff has been imposed on wedding businesses.
Yeh, that's the extent of the 'persecution' - be careful about baking cakes if you want to sell them to the public. It must be utterly devasting for you. Forget burning at the stake or slow crushing or having your limbs slowly ripped out of your body - it's trial by cake. Faith, do get a grip.
At this point I really don't WANT to be around but I got another "portent" yesterday that contradicts the others. Sigh.
Of course you did Faith, of course you did. I wonder why?
But just in case, I suggest you wear a clean pair of knickers tomorrow and for the next couple of days.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 72 of 1677 (839390)
09-07-2018 4:12 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
How did I insult you?

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Message 73 of 1677 (839393)
09-07-2018 4:18 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
Faith writes:
How did I insult you?
You didn't, you can't.
I'm just saying, if you're trying to chuck an insult, don't let yourself down by getting it all laughably wrong.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 74 of 1677 (839401)
09-07-2018 4:43 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
There is reason to think a version of paganism is going to be the One World religion no matter how much atheism is growing. (book I mentioned, The Coming Pagan Utopia). Atheists aren't going to like the paganism either, which is why I suggested you might oppose it and get persecuted for it.
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Message 75 of 1677 (839411)
09-07-2018 6:38 PM
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Re: Humanity's Utopian Dreams Are Always Nightmares but the Lesson is Never Learned
Faith writes:
There is reason to think a version of paganism is going to be the One World religion no matter how much atheism is growing. (book I mentioned, The Coming Pagan Utopia). Atheists aren't going to like the paganism either, which is why I suggested you might oppose it and get persecuted for it.
The world is getting less religious not more. Do try to hang on to some straw of reality. This dark age of irrational thinking is in terminal decline. You can delude yourself if you like but you can't argue with the numbers.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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