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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
This dark age of irrational thinking is in terminal decline. Except in America. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Here's another contribution to the deep darkness of irrational thinking the world is trying so hard to extinquish these days. I just posted this at my blog.
=================================== Just heard a sermon by Sam Storms on the number 666 in which he concludes that it's a symbolic number. Storms also discussed some attempts to determine its meaning through gematria, or systems of numbers based on various alphabets. In some cases if the Greek alphabet doesn't work they try the Hebrew and maybe that will work. I think he said Hebrew works for Nero. But why on earth should Nero be identified by the Hebrew alphabet? Hitler comes up on the English alphabet after assigning some special numbering system to the letters. This just gets ridiculous. And I don't know why the system I've posted on so many times isn't better known, or if it is known why it isn't accepted. It is perfection itself. There is no need to manipulate the letters and numbers because Latin has a system of Roman numerals based on its letters that is solidly established. And when it is applied to the LATIN title for Vicar of Christ, VICARIVUS FILII DEI, for the ROMAN Pope, who is also called by the ROMAN title Pontifex Maximus, it adds up to 666 without any manipulations whatever. It's a ROMAN/LATIN system of ROMAN/LATIN letters with ROMAN numbers applied to a ROMAN/LATIN title for the Bishop of ROME who is called Pope and the Head of the Church. By that name he usurps the role of Christ since scripture says Christ and Christ alone is the Head of the Church, and by the title Vicar of Christ he usurps the role of Christ when you understand it through the Latin phrase VICARIVUS FILII DEI, which literally means "in the place of the Son of God." Add em up, it's 666 without even trying. The Pope usurps the role of Christ and the role of the Holy Spirit who is the representative of Christ on earth, NOT the "Pope." Since the temple of God is the people of God the Pope "sits in the temple of God showing that he is God."
2Th 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK so I had to look into this book you mentioned:
quote: Perhaps I myself am one of the ones duped by the antichrist since I consider myself spiritual but not religious. As pertains to EvC, I looked up the Darwinian Evolution speaker (to find something he said that was free rather than buying the darn book)and found this: Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: It certainly is irrational, and very dark.
quote: Because Gematria is Hebrew of course. If you want to do perfect gematria why would you use any other alphabet ?
quote: One obvious reason is that it only assigns values to 7 letters. That’s a big weakness and makes it far from perfect. In fact that severe deficiency is an obvious reason why it isn’t used.
quote: That would be VICARIUS FILII DEI. Which only adds up to 661. (And why ignore the fact that Roman numerals are not usually read by simple adding - the order matters. 106 is CVI. IV is four, not six.)
quote: Obviously not to anyone who understands the role. And you know that.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dr.Peter Jones, the author of that book you mentioned earlier which was a compilation of various authors challenges many of my beliefs. One of us or the other is wrong.
Is Mindfulness Christian? whereupon he asserts that quote: You are rigid and authoritarian in your thinking whereas I am more balanced and mindful. According to Dr.Jones, I am the one being duped. (read the article)Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You've said a great deal here but I really don't know how to respond to it yet. It's interesting that this book seems to have brought out a lot of your thinking that otherwise might not have become apparent. I'm not sure why that is but it may help me understand why you never seem to be quite Christian although you eventually convinced me you believe the basics. Now I'm thinking perhaps you don't after all. As I said I really don't know where to begin to discuss this with you.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I did read your blog and understand your belief process. I cant say that you are wrong, though I cant think exactly how you do either. Even though jar and I disagree on most philosophy and theology, he has taught me to be unafraid to question my beliefs---though to some this surely must make me appear weak and indecisive. Contrary to what you may think, I have studied a lot of the Bible and likely understand it as well as you do...but where we differ is that I allow myself to question what I once would never question. Unlike jar, I cannot simply "throw God away" as if denouncing my profession when I first became Born Again. Many of my Christian brethren also discourage me from questioning the precepts of our Faith and believe that Satan is waging war with me and through me. So I too really dont know how to discuss anything...we are two different people.
I respect free speech, however...and so EvC continues with our neverending arguments, beliefs, persuasions, and world views.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Perhaps it would help just to clarify something about those basics I mentioned:
Do you believe you are a sinner who has been saved from sin and from Hell by God's grace alone without your having to do anything to earn it? Do you believe that the Lord Jesus' death on the cross is wholly sufficient to pay for your sins in entirety, that His blood shed there pays for your sins? That He died for all those who believe on Him and rose from the dead and now sits at the right hand of the Father? That He is the way, the truth and the life and that nobody comes to the Father except through Him? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
my Christian brethren also discourage me from questioning the precepts of our Faith and believe that Satan is waging war with me and through me... You don't seem to be particularly bothered by this. Do you think they are wrong, or what? ABE: Another question: Do you pray much? Do you pray to understand these things? AND: Perhaps this should all be discussed privately, if it can be discussed at all. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith writes: Yes. I believe that salvation is by faith first and that works follow naturally. That being said, I question the concept of original sin in general, though observation of human behavior historically and currently seems to verify its reality. One thing that I question, however, is why God chose to do things the way He allegedly has, (according to dogma). I definitely believe that the Bible itself, though inspired, is far from perfect in describing current reality fully. I may eventually end up believing otherwise...I am always open to further information.
Do you believe you are a sinner who has been saved from sin and from Hell by God's grace alone without your having to do anything to earn it? Faith writes: Yes. I have entertained questions about the exclusiveness of such a belief, but I fervently believe that IF God accepts me based on surrender and acknowledgement alone, I'm all in! Unlike you, however, I occasionally side with some of the counter-arguments here at EvC that most Christians I know wouldn't ever entertain. Thats simply my character...I believe that if God knows me and accepts me He is strong enough to keep me from slipping away...and allows me to question, doubt, and examine the beliefs and ideologies of others. Do you believe that the Lord Jesus' death on the cross is wholly sufficient to pay for your sins in entirety, that His blood shed there pays for your sins? That He died for all those who believe on Him and rose from the dead and now sits at the right hand of the Father? That He is the way, the truth and the life and that nobody comes to the Father except through Him? I believe in Spiritual War. I see it here at EvC all of the time.Like when jar gets angry and calls *bullshit* and accuses his opponents of palming some pea and misdirecting a topic, I see him as angry that they wont fall in line and follow his ideology based as he claims simply on plain reading. I dont just consider the content of what is written. I consider the motives behind the author. As an example, what possible good would it or has it ever done to teach people that the allegorical snake told the truth and that the god character lied? ...see...to me this only leads them to the belief that all religion is simply written and interpreted by man. I also saw jaywill lose his composure for a moment and lash out at his opponents, even though he normally makes such sound theological posts. Surely somewhere, demons are laughing at their success at needling believers and getting them to lose their composure. As to why I believe? Thats a deeper question....one that I would have to think deeply about. I trust God---dont get me wrong---I talk with Him a lot.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith writes: No let's keep it public. I WANT people to see us discuss and debate these theological concepts. I DO pray often, though sometimes informally on my way to work, for instance, while driving. Other times I fall on my face and have even cried before God. Perhaps some critics of our belief have questions for me...in fact, I even anticipate some of them. Another question: Do you pray much? Do you pray to understand these things? AND: Perhaps this should all be discussed privately if it can be discussed at all. Do I believe that a Rapture is imminent? Do I even believe in such a thing?Do I believe that God exists, is personal, and gives me a second thought in the grand scheme of how reality will play out? There are many questionsChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The problem now is that I'm getting awfully sleepy though I hate to interrupt this. I don't think I can do a very good job if I'm about to nod off though, so I've really got to get some sleep and come back to this later.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's what you call "Spiritual War"?
I believe in Spiritual War. I see it here at EvC all of the time.Like when jar gets angry and calls *bullshit* and accuses his opponents of palming some pea and misdirecting a topic, I see him as angry that they wont fall in line and follow his ideology based as he claims simply on plain reading. Phat writes:
You don't think the truth is worthwhile? ... what possible good would it or has it ever done to teach people that the allegorical snake told the truth and that the god character lied?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm back, Phat, but now I don't see much reason to continue this, unless you raise some particular issues I could think about. One thing I'd comment on is that I don't think you know what "mindfulness" is. It's a specific discipline of meditation practiced in Buddhism, and possibly also Hinduism, in which the person watches his/her thoughts as they come up.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
What' your last meal going to be Faith?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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