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Message 18 of 283 (839580)
09-10-2018 4:51 PM
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09-05-2018 11:46 AM


Phat writes:
Has anyone watched this show? Comments??
I haven't watched the videos, but judging by the comments you quoted it is mainline atheism (that term makes me laugh).
The main point is that the burden of proof lies with theists. They are the ones who claim that gods exist, so it is up to them to evidence their existence. Atheists are just those who are unconvinced by the evidence that has been given.
This is where the history of western society kicks in. For the longest time it was just assumed that theists were right and atheists had to defend their position. In a recent poll people were asked if they would vote for a christian, mormon, muslim, atheist, and so on. They put atheists at the bottom, below muslims. Atheists have been looked down on by western society for a long time now, and this is where the social activism comes from.
For the most part, atheists already know why they don't believe. The reasons that another atheist may not believe really doesn't apply to them. For the most part, I (as an atheist) could care less what Dawkins writes in his books about religion and atheism. If anything, I have a much more accepting view of religion in society. I even have a brother and sister in law who are missionaries, and I am very proud of them. If there is anything that I enjoy reading in atheist literature it is the wit and snark, but that's about it.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 28 of 283 (839616)
09-11-2018 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
09-10-2018 8:50 PM


Re: In Brief
Faith writes:
Scripture tells us that eternal life is knowing God, so if we have eternal life, meaning if we are saved we do know God.
Why many atheists remain unconvinced is that these are claims made by humans. Scripture was written by humans.

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Message 29 of 283 (839617)
09-11-2018 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Phat
09-11-2018 10:04 AM


Re: In Brief
Phat writes:
The more that I think about it the more I realize that having a goal of getting everybody to believe in God is unrealistic.
In the name of putting yourself in atheist shoes, you may want to contemplate the chances of a missionary converting you to Islam or Hinduism. Their goal is the same as yours, and I would assume that they have very little chance of converting you. The way you feel towards other religions is probably similar to how atheists feel towards your religion.

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Message 35 of 283 (839676)
09-12-2018 6:06 PM
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09-11-2018 1:25 PM


Re: In Brief
Faith writes:
And when atheists do get converted it's often when they've come to recognize that they were wrong about this.
Atheists do convert to religions all of the time, and religious people deconvert to atheism all of the time. I really don't see how you can read anything into this.

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Message 36 of 283 (839677)
09-12-2018 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
09-12-2018 3:24 PM


Re: In Brief
Phat writes:
Of course how can we know something to be true? We can believe it, and in the case for Jesus, as an example, I say that I know He is alive and interacting with me and within me 100% but I cant present this as truth to others....its only truth for me...I cant insist that it must be true for others...the onus is on them to find truth as they desire it
As an atheist, what you describe is something that goes against the basic skepticism that is part of my worldview. For me, at least, something doesn't become true simply because I desire it to be true. Skeptics/Atheists tend to look for objective truths which are truths independent of our wishes, hopes, and opinions.
I guess it boils down to faith.
Phat writes:
I watched a great atheist/christian debate. The Christian speaker had many anecdotes and evidence that was undeniably persuasive to me, for I too have experienced the supernatural...which he discusses. But Matt Dillahunty, the atheist, had a logical counterargument which I cant honestly say is wrong. I cant define truth for everyone. Only God can do that, and I cant represent God to others...I can only represent myself.
The (rhetorical) question this atheist has is how you can know that you have experienced the supernatural?
For the skeptical mind it is hard to differentiate between your mind fooling yourself and claims of supernatural interaction.

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Message 38 of 283 (839705)
09-13-2018 2:57 PM
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09-13-2018 8:40 AM


Re: In Brief
Phat writes:
Perhaps I take a stand in faith on what I have experienced due in part to confirmation bias whereas...as you point out...a true skeptic would not embrace faith so easily.
That is probably what separates the theist and atheist. For the purposes of this thread I don't think it necessary to say that one approach is better than the other. The main point is to understand what the differences are so we can understand each other a bit better.

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Message 44 of 283 (839757)
09-14-2018 4:37 PM
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09-14-2018 3:02 AM


Re: In Brief
Faith writes:
What I said is true: when they convert it's often because they've come to recognize that the Bible is not man-made.
What I said is true as well. When christians convert to atheism they've come to recognize that the Bible is man-made. Besides, it says right in the Bible that it was written by humans.
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Message 45 of 283 (839758)
09-14-2018 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by LamarkNewAge
09-13-2018 8:44 PM


Re: What differences between Christianity and Atheism
LamarkNewAge writes:
Atheism might be a monolith but does it have any real roots?
When did it start?
How much did it borrow from other movements?
Are its followers a monolith today?
Atheism is as monolithic as not collecting stamps or not playing golf. It has the same roots as not believing in Bigfoot.

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Message 271 of 283 (865447)
10-25-2019 12:13 PM
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10-21-2019 4:25 PM


Re: Taq tics
Thugpreacha writes:
Our issue here is Why Atheism?
Why a-bigfootism? Why a-leprechaunism? There are tons of things you don't believe in. I would start there, and try to understand why you don't believe in them.
Will belief always be around? Or will humanity either outgrow the need (or God simply shows up undeniably)?
I suspect that some sort of faith-based belief will always be a part of human society. It seems to be part of human psychology and experience. People find importance in religion, so who am I to tell them what is important in their lives? All that I really ask is that our government, law, and public institutions remain secular.
Why do you personally stick around EvC? Is it the people here? Is this sorta like an online social club? After all, we endlessly discuss the same things: Religion/Evolution vs Creationism, and Trump.
Mostly this:

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