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Faith
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Message 226 of 1677 (839827)
09-16-2018 8:19 PM
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09-16-2018 7:32 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Oh by the way, Jesus did NOT say He didn't know when the "end times" would occur-- anybody who knows scripture at all and sees what's happening in the world knows those times have been upon us for a while now. What Jesus said is that He didn't know the time of His return, which is what we are talking about here. It is very possible He knows it now, so we can too, or perhaps it will remain a total secret until the last second.
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Faith
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Message 227 of 1677 (839828)
09-16-2018 8:22 PM
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09-16-2018 7:50 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Oh too, "birth pangs" have been going on for a while. The parable of the fig tree speaks of knowing the season and seeing even that it is "at the very door."
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 228 of 1677 (839829)
09-16-2018 8:47 PM
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09-16-2018 8:19 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Oh by the way, Jesus did NOT say He didn't know when the "end times" would occur-- anybody who knows scripture at all and sees what's happening in the world knows those times have been upon us for a while now. What Jesus said is that He didn't know the time of His return, which is what we are talking about here.

How is that not analogous?

"I will return with a shout."

He's implying that, while he was in the physical form, even He did not know the day or time.

The "End Times" is a reference to all of the phases... Rapture, Tribulations, Return, and Judgment.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 229 of 1677 (839830)
09-16-2018 8:49 PM
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09-16-2018 8:22 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Oh too, "birth pangs" have been going on for a while. The parable of the fig tree speaks of knowing the season and seeing even that it is "at the very door."

That's what every Christian since the time of Paul has believed. What indication is there that this time should be different than every other generation that said the same thing?


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 230 of 1677 (839831)
09-16-2018 9:17 PM
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09-16-2018 4:06 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Phat writes:

Percy,to Faith writes:

You think just believing the "right" thing qualifies you for salvation, but it is goodness that should be rewarded.

One would think that they go hand in hand.

Do you mean that if you believe the "right" thing then you'll be blessed with goodness? The evidence we have here at EvC strongly suggests that isn't true.

If you mean any other of the other possibilities (a. Only if you believe the "right" thing will you be blessed with goodness; b. If you're blessed with goodness then you will believe the "right" thing; c. Only if you're blessed with goodness will you believe the "right" thing) then all the people of goodness of other religions strongly suggests these aren't true, either.

I think you've treated your religion with much greater kindness and charity than it's treated you - that you believe anyway seems a true act of faith.

Even though you are not a believer, surely you wouldn't reject a messiah if one showed up to do His thing while you were busy working....unless you wanted no such alien interaction without more evidence.

Why should this hypothetical be taken more seriously than, "How would you react if you were sent back to the time of the dinosaurs," or "What if you suddenly found you had all the powers of Superman," or "What if the Matrix turned out to be real"?

What *would* you do if you found yourself being whisked away from your celestial home?

Huh? Whisked away from my celestial home? I'll assume you meant "to" instead of "from".

Would it scare you? Anger you? Confuse you? One would think that the travelers would get briefed on what to expect.

I have the same reaction to this hypothetical.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 231 of 1677 (839832)
09-16-2018 10:12 PM
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09-16-2018 8:49 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Just that it's a lot closer at least.
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Faith
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Message 232 of 1677 (839833)
09-16-2018 10:17 PM
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09-16-2018 9:17 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
What if God considers refusing to serve a gay wedding a good work? Or fighting to end abortion?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 233 of 1677 (839834)
09-16-2018 10:33 PM
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09-16-2018 8:47 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
He DIDN'T know the day or time then, but what I'm saying is that the closer we get to it the more likely it is that He may NOW know. In any case WE are told to recognize when it is "at the very door."

But the End Times are a longer period when we see general signs of its coming. In a certain sense they started with the crucifixion but there are also bound to be increasing signs the closer we get and the amazing increase in doctrines and practices that oppose God's law, that are culturally and even legally promoted by the world, particularly in the once-Christian west, and even, God help us, in so-called "Christian" churches, are major signs:

Abortion is one: Christians put an end to the infanticide that was practiced in the Roman Empire but now we are reverting to that. The normalization and legal/social support of LGBT practices flies in the face of Christian doctrine. It all goes back to making divorce easier, later to cohabitating unmarrieds, and a general deterioration of the morality of us all. There has always been hidden sexual sin in the Roman Church because of their forced celibacy requirements for those in the religious life, but now we've got rampant child molestation by priests and rampant coverups. Pornography is now a protected "freedom." I'm not sure why this list is all about sexuality but for some reason it is. All this has been proliferating at a galloping pace in very recent time.

THAT's what I mean by the end times being upon us. How long will the Lord wait before He says "time's up" and lets loose His final days of wrath?

abe: Guess I could add things like giving Wicca, witchcraft yet, legal religious status. Even Satanism. Not recognizing the true nature of Islam is at least as stupid and suicidal as it is sinful etc etc etc., but Islam is likely to be a major instrument for the punishment of the West. I'm sure there are other things to add to the list that I'm not thinking of.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 234 of 1677 (839835)
09-16-2018 11:03 PM
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09-16-2018 10:33 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
In any case WE are told to recognize when it is "at the very door."

I'm not disputing that you are told to watch for signs of his return, I'm questioning why you are concerning yourself with a specific date and time -- in this case, a specific Jewish holiday, when it says no one knows.

Abortion is one

What the Lord thinks about abortion:

"Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell. “Tear it down,” they cried, “tear it down to its foundations!” Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us. Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." - Psalm 137:7-9

"This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." -- 1st Samuel 15:1-2

"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." -- Hosea 13:16

As to the rest, it sounds like the same things going on for thousands of years.. but not as bad.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 235 of 1677 (839836)
09-16-2018 11:07 PM
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09-16-2018 11:03 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
All that describes God's judgments/vengeance on specific peoples for specific transgressions -- judgments against the guilty, that has nothing to do with the slaughter of the innocent unborn. Our list that invites His vengeance is much longer, and the west, at least America, was once obedient to Him, so much the greater will be our punishment.

I reiterate: Christians brought abortion/infanticide to an end, and now we are reverting to it again. We brought witchcraft to an end and now we are legalizing it. Homosexuality was always condemned and now we are normalizing and applauding it. Etc etc etc. These are strong signs that we are at the very end.

abe: forgot to add to the list our denial of the death penalty for murder: that is a direct violation of God's command.

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Faith
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Message 236 of 1677 (839837)
09-16-2018 11:22 PM
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09-16-2018 11:03 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Because Rosh Hashanah is a very likely time, and the closer we get the more likely it is that we could actually know the day; I've said that more than once, what's your problem?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 237 of 1677 (839838)
09-16-2018 11:36 PM
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09-16-2018 11:07 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
All that describes God's judgments/vengeance on specific peoples for specific transgressions -- judgments against the guilty, that has nothing to do with the murder of the innocent unborn. Our list that invites His vengeance is much longer, and the west, at least America, was once obedient to Him, so much the greater will be our punishment.

I'm very curious what the transgressions of those infants were. Must have been pretty bad for the God of Love to command their obliteration on account of those infant transgressions.

I reiterate: Christians brought abortion/infanticide to an end, and now we are reverting to it again. We brought witchcraft to an end and now we are legalizing it. Homosexuality was always condemned and now we are normalizing and applauding it. Etc etc etc. These are strong signs that we are at the very end.

Abortion has been legal since the 70's... That's nearly 50 years ago. Witchcraft? what, all 10 witches... You're making it sound like an epidemic. Jesus brings up divorce, when it comes to sexual sin and makes no mention of homosexuality at all. I'm guessing the no-fault divorce is probably the greater issue.

In any event, times past were much more odious. Crime has also been steadily declining.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 238 of 1677 (839839)
09-16-2018 11:39 PM
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09-16-2018 11:22 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Because Rosh Hashanah is a very likely time, and the closer we get the more likely it is that we could actually know the day; I've said that more than once, what's your problem?

Problem with what? I was just offering advice on not worrying about a day and time. You can take it in to consideration or throw it in the trash.


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Faith
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Message 239 of 1677 (839840)
09-16-2018 11:42 PM
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09-16-2018 11:36 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Times past? You can't compare God's judgments with human transgressions that DESERVE God's judgments.

But I guess you don't see any problems that deserve God's judgments so we don't need to worry, right? Fifty years of abortion with fifty million dead babies, naaa. Oh right legalizing witchcraft is just about ten witches anyway etc etc.

So let's all relax, no judgment is coming.

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Faith
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Message 240 of 1677 (839842)
09-17-2018 12:10 AM
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09-16-2018 11:36 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Remember when God called Jonah to preach to the Ninevites that judgment was coming? He even mentioned that there were I forget how many children who didn't yet "know their left hand from their right" as a case for sparing them; To convince Jonah to preach repentance so He might not have to bring that destruction on them for the sake of those young children. The babies are part of the tribe, there is no way to spare them separately, and it is a punishment to the tribe to do away with their children. The incident described in Psalm 137 by the way is about how the Babylonians had slaughtered the babies of the Israelites so this is vengeance.

In any case none of that has anything to do with our day when once-Christian nations had eradicated abortion and other evils and are now bringing them back in a full-fledged pagan revival against God's laws. And I ask again: how long do you think He'll put off judgment for what I've listed?


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