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Tangle
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Message 243 of 1677 (839846)
09-17-2018 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by Faith
09-16-2018 10:33 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
As has been said many times before, you're not unique, every generation of fundie Christian has predicted the end is coming and pretty much always in their own time because they think they're special. Just like you do.
Here's a list of them going back 2,000 years.
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia
The next one on their list is 9th June 2019, and like all the others it will fail.
Weinland, who previously predicted the world would end in 2011, 2012, and then 2013, predicted in 2018 that Jesus will return on June 9, 2019. He has since expressed some doubts regarding his own prediction.
You'll die waiting Faith.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 270 of 1677 (839988)
09-21-2018 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Faith
09-20-2018 10:27 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Faith writes:
As I said, it DOESN'T all have the same biblical basis. The Rapture is biblical and will eventually happen,
People have made up the rapture; it doesn't appear in the bible anywhere. Paul talked once about 'meeting up in the air' but he never mentioned it again and it's only a 'thing' for a minority of super-fundies. Really, Faith, you'll believe anything at all that suits your purpose.
quote:
while any given timing proposed for it may or may not be correct and does not affect the prophecy itself.
A prophesy without timings is not a prphesy. All timings that have been given have failed. Including the only one that mattered which was the 'in this generation' one. That was the one that disproved the entire enterprise.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 274 of 1677 (840000)
09-21-2018 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
09-21-2018 6:44 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Faith writes:
How could I possibly have a purpose to suit?
Your entire belief is based on a desire to be saved, you appear to have no other purpose.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 276 of 1677 (840027)
09-22-2018 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Phat
09-22-2018 6:28 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Phat writes:
Even the most ardent atheist believes in some type of justice
Wow, even atheists? - those diseased and wanton harlots - believe in justice?
and and has a sense of right and wrong,
Fuck me, really? How did the Lord let that happen?
even if he has no moral basis for making such judgments.
What an arrogant, self-righteous prick. Why would you read this crap?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 278 of 1677 (840030)
09-22-2018 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
09-22-2018 10:25 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Fixed......again

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 289 of 1677 (840043)
09-22-2018 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Phat
09-22-2018 3:18 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Phat writes:
I can't fathom being a lifelong skeptic and yet advocating doing the message sent by a non-existent Ghost.
It's because the message is the universal one of love thy neighbour and do as you would be done by. After that you can go fishing with a free conscience.
It's not unique to Christianity, it's got nothing to do with ghosts and gods, it's got nothing to do with floods, goats, churches, religions and being saved; it's about DOING THE RIGHT BLOODY THING WITH YOUR LIFE. HERE AND NOW.
If you need me to I'll put that in orange.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 291 of 1677 (840047)
09-22-2018 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Faith
09-22-2018 3:54 PM


Re: salvation by faith, good works based on faith
Faith writes:
I don't know why you are all arguing. What Phat quoted is standard Christian (Protestant) biblical doctrine: We are SAVED by faith alone in Christ alone
We're arguing because your primitive belief system condemns almost all of humanity that has ever been and will ever be to everlasting hell. And that, girl, is total and obvious crap.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 293 of 1677 (840049)
09-22-2018 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Faith
09-22-2018 4:17 PM


Re: salvation by faith, good works based on faith
You have a mediaeval view of what Christianity says; you're version is corrupt. I'll take one of the other versions, thanks all the same.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 295 of 1677 (840056)
09-23-2018 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Faith
09-22-2018 4:24 PM


Re: salvation by faith, good works based on faith
Faith writes:
Completely wrong, you've got it exactly backwards.
I have it the way I want it. You have it the way you want it. That's the beauty of belief, you can believe what suits.
What suits me to believe about your God is the message of Jesus, which is - with a few blips - universally good, though utterly derivative and fictionalised. I prefer to think of Christians as decent people trying to live decent lives. My confirmation bias is geared towards accepting the decent bit of the bible and rejecting the horror and blatant immorality. I'd rather think of Christians in a nice way than the way you project them, thanks all the same.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 300 of 1677 (840067)
09-23-2018 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by Faith
09-23-2018 6:03 AM


Re: salvation by faith, good works based on faith
Faith writes:
Not in my world you can't. I believe what I've learned to be the truth and make up not one iota of it.
You believe what you've chosen to believe, other Christians have chosen something else. You think you're right, they think they're right. It doesn't matter much, you're all making it up as you go along.
But as I said, believe the pagan Roman Catholic salvation by works if you like,
Why would you think I believe any of that nonsense? Or any of your nonsense? It made up childish rubbish. But the general Christian message - which is not remotely unique to Christianity - is valid regardless of the crap organised religions have dumped on it; do as you would be done by and loving your neighbour is the kind of thing I prefer to believe that actual Christians believe.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 302 of 1677 (840071)
09-23-2018 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Faith
09-23-2018 9:37 AM


Re: salvation by faith, good works based on faith
Faith writes:
Of course Christians aim to live by the golden rule and loving neighbor,
All except you...
as do I.
Your own words deny that. LGBGT, Muslims, Catholics - to name but a few billion 'neighbours'
But that doesn't get you saved.
That's certainly true. But then nothing does.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 304 of 1677 (840076)
09-23-2018 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Faith
09-23-2018 9:51 AM


Re: salvation by faith, good works based on faith
...don't forget Catholics....

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 307 of 1677 (840082)
09-23-2018 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by Faith
09-23-2018 9:51 AM


Re: salvation by faith, good works based on faith
And a stranger shalt thou not wrong, neither shalt thou oppress him; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 328 of 1677 (840158)
09-24-2018 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by Phat
09-24-2018 7:22 AM


Re: "Salvation by faith" is (selective) religious bribery.
Phat writes:
What gets me is that God is not even needed for this good action to occur...we all may well be altruistic secular humanists.
It's one step forward and 50 steps back but it's progress of sorts.
Remember Ocams Razor? Introducing a hyoer-complex superior being with magical abilities in order to explain what is explicable without is redundant. Of course god isn't needed for good actions to occur! Even us evil atheists have our nice moments.
And of course, that negates the idea of original sin.
Well that's obviously garbage in its own right. A pure invention and an really evil one at that.
What do you think of the doctrine of original sin? Why did they market that one?
Christ, it couldn't be easier. 'Unless I baptise you, and you join my club you're going to hell'. Where do I sign?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 361 of 1677 (840399)
09-28-2018 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 359 by Phat
09-28-2018 4:55 PM


Re: Oligarchy and malarkey
Phat writes:
Under socialism, that same middle class, as I understand it, would eventually blend in with the masses below them...leaving the small oligarchy at the top to contend with.
You have a really screwed up, extremist idea of what socialism is. This seems a common thing with Yanks for some reason.
The European version of social democracy is a progressive pluralist economic model that has a more equal spread of wealth berween its citizens with a relatively high safety net. It works and it creates the happiest societies we've so far managed as a species.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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