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jaywill Member (Idle past 1942 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
quote: I brought it up, rightly or wrongly, because I was MOCKED. Someone selected a few choice favorites from the Bible and paraded them as usual saying basically, "You believe this stuff, you naive fool." So, I responded by mentioning a few things which his and my generation believe which are by no means case closed forgone conclusions. One of the things I mentioned in reaction to his mocking list was ... "And you believe Neil Armstrong walked on the moon." That's how this got started. Now, that having been said I did give attention to one of his listed matters - the talking serpent of Genesis, which I find quite wise of God to allow things to happen in this way so as to communicate to generations of people -
An exceedingly intelligent being exists in the universe which is adversarial to the Creator God. That is a created being which of its own accord, went awry and established himself a nemesis to God - His opposite in every way. Important details are filled in latter in the Bible. This is profound truth. And I think a speaking serpent was God's initial way of communicating this revelation to mankind in such a way that the most people could readily grasp it. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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Capt Stormfield Member (Idle past 457 days) Posts: 428 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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And this has nothing to do with my Christian faith. I doubt that many who are doubtful of moon landing footage are all held together because of biblical faith. One well spring of gullibility, many outlets.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All jaywill was talking about was the accusation that religious people will believe anything. Your remark just confuses the point.
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Phat Member Posts: 18266 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
My jury is still out. I am a moderate in regards to these two extremes...I don't trust evidence alone, but I also realize that God is not going to magically rescue me. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh nonsense, Phat. Christians don't think that way. Jaywill simply thinks that the presence of sound where there is no atmosphere to transmit it calls the standard explanation into question. He's probably too ready to be suspicious when he should be looking for other explanations but he does have some evidence to base it on.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: What am I missing? Conspiracy theorists can invent a limitless supply of bollox that normals are then expected to refute. Most normals can't be arsed aguing with crack-pots because they know that crack-pots don't care about evidence-based facts. We can theorise about sounds on the moon but we can never prove anything so the nutcases live on.. But all that crap is irrelevant if you can independantly provide irrefuteable evidence that it happened. We nw have that evidence. So the idiots can shut up. Prediction; they won't.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
At first viewing that video does make you wonder how we could be hearing those clanking and scraping sounds if there is no atmosphere to transmit them, but I think that's because one automatically assumes the microphone is attached to the camera, which of course it isn't.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Faith writes: At first viewing that video does make you wonder how we could be hearing those clanking and scraping sounds if there is no atmosphere to transmit them, but I think that's because one automatically assumes the microphone is attached to the camera, which of course it isn't. If you have a burglar on CCTV and his DNA on the broken window there's no need to speculate about whether he was actually indoors watching the football at the time of the incident. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jaywill writes:
When you're being mocked for saying foolish things, saying more foolish things may not be the best strategy. I brought it up, rightly or wrongly, because I was MOCKED.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
double post
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You have that backwards. If one believes that humans are basically bad and/or hopeless without God, one would then look for bad behavior or conspiracy among humans which would need fighting against. One would always be on guard against an enemy in some form or another. If one believes that humans are basically good by nature and did not require a God to guide them, one would trust most media in the free world at least and one would have no reason to doubt moon landings, global warming, or humanist motives. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And it still has no bearing on reality or the fact that man went to the moon, or the topic of this thread. It's just more of your attempts to palm the pea, con the rubes, sell your snake oil, move the goal posts and change the subject.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So much for "basic forum decency." You are the worst offender by far, but nobody is bothering to enforce the rules any more.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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The biggest proof that man went to the moon and deniers are idiots is a quite simple one. Think about it, if at the height of the cold war the USSR faked a moon landing the US and every other nation that could prove them to be liars would have. The same goes in reverse. If the US faked a moon landing why didn't the soviets scream about it? why aren't the russians and chinese still screaming about it? They have the capabilities to prove the falsehood, why haven't they?
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Sorry Faith but facts are facts and thems the facts I posted.
jaywill's posts still have no bearing on reality or the fact that man went to the moon, or the topic of the thread and are just more of his attempts to palm the pea, con the rubes, sell his snake oil, move the goal posts and change the subject. There is nothing indecent about pointing out the facts, truth and reality.
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