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Message 321 of 711 (796011)
12-20-2016 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Tanypteryx
12-20-2016 7:41 PM


Re: Simple Proof of Man-Made Global Warming
Alfred E. had the answer.

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Message 351 of 711 (799629)
02-12-2017 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by foreveryoung
02-12-2017 12:39 AM


Been over this before foreverforgetful
forever something writes:

But they certainly absorb through conduction and there are vastly more of them than co2, therefore it's disingenuous to say co2 traps heat when trying to make a case for AGW because n2 and o2 hold onto heat for a much longer time.

And once again you return to the stupidity that is opposition to AGW. This has been explained to you before but I will try to explain it to you again.

The issue is Global Warming. The facts show that is happening. Many of the results of Global Warming are predictable. Many of those results are very detrimental for humans and for life in general.

We are not currently making plans to minimize the pains that will be caused by those results and so it would be wise to try to at least slow down Global Warming.

The only parts of the many causes of Global Warming that we can currently address are the anthropogenic ones.

Since the only factors we can currently address are the anthropogenic factors those are the factors we should address.

In addition we should currently be making plans to address the negative results from Global Warming. Instead of building a truly stupid "Wall" we should be planning and beginning relocating people, businesses and infrastructure from places that will get flooded. We should be looking at creating ways to store and redirect water on a flexible basis. We should be looking at building infrastructure to allow continued farming as the conditions change.

In other words we would be smart to get our heads out of our asses and simply ignore those who oppose the concept of AGW, just laugh at them, pat them on their little heads and tell them that maybe when they grow up they will understand but that all the big kids are too busy working to play games with them right now.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin mot ---> not


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Message 362 of 711 (799678)
02-13-2017 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Pressie
02-13-2017 4:54 AM


Cure for Climate Change
I don't know why everyone seems to have their panties in a wad over rising temperatures. All the news says that the poles are about to swap and just the wind from the Earth turning upside down will be more than enough to cool everything off.

Plus everyone knows it's cold in Australia when it's hot in the US so the arctic will suddenly go from hot back to cold like it should be.


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Message 395 of 711 (800143)
02-20-2017 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 391 by RAZD
02-20-2017 9:23 AM


Re: Explain the observed evidence.
RAZD writes:

Again, because he was treating symptoms as causes. But more directly, the atmosphere, ground and oceans show a definite heating trend, and there is also an increased amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and oceans. So when you say "All the gases are heated up by either thermalization from co2 or from contact with the warm ground" you are agreeing that the change in CO2 levels accounts for the change in temperatures that have been observed.

And there are two other points of interest. First that a decrease in dissolved oxygen in ocean water has been observed. Second, it is STILL a fact that the only potential cause of global warming that we can address are the human created factors.


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Message 401 of 711 (822859)
11-02-2017 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by Phat
11-02-2017 3:02 PM


Re: Climate Is Warming And Humans Are The Cause
YAWN

Yet again, if Global Warming is a problem the the ONLY parts we can address are those parts created and caused by humans.

What caused Global Warming is irrelevant to anyone capable of critical thinking.

If it is happening and we want to try to slow the process the only thing we can do is reduce those factors that are under our control.

It really is that simple.


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Message 412 of 711 (823253)
11-08-2017 8:31 AM


The facts today are ...
... that the only things we can address are human made factors.

... in the US the greatest and most cherished Freedom is to be utterly stupid.

... the GREAT DICTUM in the US is to never put off until tomorrow what can be put off to the next generation.

... in the US the most common practice is to always elect the least competent candidate.

... in the US the GREAT TRUTH is that it is always their fault.

... in the US the GREAT RELIGIOUS PRACTICE is to Leave it to Jesus.

... the goal of the US is to enshrine ignorance.

... the answer is "Why didn't someone do something to prevent it!"


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Message 414 of 711 (823257)
11-08-2017 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 413 by NoNukes
11-08-2017 9:56 AM


it's obvious that those with eyes choose not to see.
NN writes:

Let's distinguish between climate and bad weather.

We had a little bit of bad weather not long ago in mid Texas, particularly around Houston.

The bad weather was pretty obvious.

What may not have been obvious was that most of the losses and damage were human caused and caused by choice. Houston has a long history of flooding and no real zoning or regulations about where to build or how to build to avoid flooding, and every effort to implement zoning and building regulations has been voted down.

The people of Houston decided not to address the issue of bad weather.

Edited by jar, : fumble fingers


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Message 425 of 711 (823506)
11-11-2017 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 424 by NoNukes
11-11-2017 10:44 AM


The REAL point is ...
NN writes:

We ought to believe that AGW is real, not because it is obvious, but because our scientists have done their homework, and have drawn the correct conclusions.

The REAL point is that the cause is totally irrelevant. It's a stupid attempt to avoid addressing tough issues.

The FACT is that the only things we have any control over are those contributions made by humans.

All the crap about what is causing global warming is just a distraction.

Why are we as a NATION not setting up zoning and building codes and moving people out the the places they should not be in and preparing a versatile and easily modified and restructured infrastructure? Why are we still allowing non-permeable paving to be used? Why are we allowing curbs and gutters to still exist and not requiring water retention facilities like catch basins designed to slow the runoff from storms and let the water get absorbed into the ground?

When will we start saying "Nope, don't care, you cannot build here!"


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Message 427 of 711 (823509)
11-11-2017 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by RAZD
11-11-2017 12:41 PM


Re: Kathleen Hartnett White has no clue ...
When Deplorables elect Deplorables the elected Deplorables hire Deplorables to make deplorable decisions based on deplorable understanding of reality.

But just like the folk in Houston who caused most of the damage done by Harvey the Deplorables will be shocked that nothing was done to protect them when the shit hits the fan.


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Message 429 of 711 (823515)
11-11-2017 4:06 PM
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11-11-2017 2:56 PM


Re: The REAL point is ...
NN writes:

I understand your point, but your advice isn't all that useful for folks who already know we need to do something.

Nonsense and still utterly irrelevant. The fact is that discussion is only useful as a way to continue to do nothing and nothing is what the US seems very good at doing.


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Message 433 of 711 (823525)
11-11-2017 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 432 by NoNukes
11-11-2017 6:15 PM


Re: The REAL point is ...
NN writes:

A discussion is a necessary prelude to any concerted action; at least that is my opinion. But, let's hear about your solution that does not involve any discussion.

Learn to read; I said "that discussion" (and you even quoted it when you should have read it) not "any discussion".

What I have said in this here very thread was that discussion was needed; discussion about construction limitations, where we should build, how we should build, how we need to change our infrastructure.

What is utterly stupid is the discussion about what is causing the warming.

Why are we as a NATION not setting up zoning and building codes and moving people out the the places they should not be in and preparing a versatile and easily modified and restructured infrastructure? Why are we still allowing non-permeable paving to be used? Why are we allowing curbs and gutters to still exist and not requiring water retention facilities like catch basins designed to slow the runoff from storms and let the water get absorbed into the ground?

When will we start saying "Nope, don't care, you cannot build here!"

When cancer is diagnosed it is often more effective to treat the cancer rather then debate what actually caused it. That can wait until after we solve the problem.


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Message 436 of 711 (823537)
11-12-2017 6:08 AM
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11-11-2017 8:35 PM


Re: The REAL point is ...
And I even pointed out that the term that can be used in different meanings, however since the discussion was about whether or not the cause of warming was relevant, that that referred to that discussion.

But the fact is that that discussion is still irrelevant and simply another attempt to palm the pea, move the goal post, find a way to not address THAT issue.


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Message 454 of 711 (830216)
03-25-2018 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Taq
12-04-2017 4:51 PM


Re: Climate Is Warming And Humans Are The Cause
How many Americans remember Bhopal and the lesson that we can learn about Corporate Concern and Responsibility?

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Message 460 of 711 (830273)
03-26-2018 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 459 by Faith
03-26-2018 10:11 AM


Re: Climate Science Special Report
Faith writes:

Here's a thought: Start growing gardens and teaching the next generation to grow gardens. And bring back the God of the Bible.

You do know that most people don't have yards where they can grow gardens Faith? And you do know that the God of the Bible never fed anyone and allowed famines and caused famines and told folk to prepare for famines instead of the God not causing the famines and the God of the Bible even chased humans out of the Garden?

Have you ever really read the Bible Faith?


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Message 502 of 711 (839991)
09-21-2018 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 501 by Faith
09-20-2018 11:08 PM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
Faith writes:

I wonder how the assumption of billions of years for the age of the earth affects calculations of natural causes of CO2 production as opposed to thousands of years.

There is no assumption of billions of years for the age of the Earth but rather a conclusions based on absolute and overwhelming evidence.

Faith writes:

Also, if the theory that there is a natural trend of warming since the Flood is true, human contributions might be speeding it up now, but it would still continue in any case.

There is no such theory and there is absolute and overwhelming evidence that there has never been a Biblical Flood during the time humans existed.


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