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Faith 
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Message 271 of 1677 (839989)
09-21-2018 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Tangle
09-21-2018 2:15 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Really, Faith, you'll believe anything at all that suits your purpose.
That's such a bizarre idea. How could I possibly have a purpose to suit? Why should it matter to me whether there is a rapture? Or a rapture that occurs before a tribulation period or only when Jesus returns? How could anyone have such a purpose? You guys really just make it all up to suit YOUR purpose, or your beliefs or whatever.

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Percy
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Message 272 of 1677 (839996)
09-21-2018 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Faith
09-20-2018 7:32 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Faith writes:
It's cruel the way refusing to give a blind man a license to drive a car is cruel.
More accurately, it's cruel the way kicking a blind man is cruel.
As I said, it DOESN'T all have the same biblical basis. The Rapture is biblical and will eventually happen, while any given timing proposed for it may or may not be correct and does not affect the prophecy itself. As I said.
How is this any different from anything else that's completely fictional?
--Percy

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ringo
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Message 273 of 1677 (839998)
09-21-2018 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
09-21-2018 6:44 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Faith writes:
Why should it matter to me whether there is a rapture? Or a rapture that occurs before a tribulation period or only when Jesus returns?
It's a get-out-of-tribulation-free card.
It's the same purpose as your faith-only stance - you get a free pass without actually doing anything but an empty profession of faith.
And of course, neither faith-only nor the rapture are supported by the Bible.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Tangle
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Message 274 of 1677 (840000)
09-21-2018 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
09-21-2018 6:44 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Faith writes:
How could I possibly have a purpose to suit?
Your entire belief is based on a desire to be saved, you appear to have no other purpose.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Phat
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Message 275 of 1677 (840022)
09-22-2018 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by ringo
09-21-2018 11:50 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
To the peanut gallery: (I could'nt have said it better myself) also pay attention ringo--
got questions? writes:
Question: "Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint? Why do so many people believe that we can be saved by works?"
Answer: The simple answer is that salvation by works seems right in the eyes of man. One of man’s basic desires is to be in control of his own destiny, and that includes his eternal destiny. Salvation by works appeals to man’s pride and his desire to be in control. Being saved by works appeals to that desire far more than the idea of being saved by faith alone. Also, man has an inherent sense of justice. Even the most ardent atheist believes in some type of justice and has a sense of right and wrong, even if he has no moral basis for making such judgments. Our inherent sense of right and wrong demands that if we are to be saved, our good works must outweigh our bad works. Therefore, it is natural that when man creates a religion it would involve some type of salvation by works.
The rest of the article supports the idea that salvation is by faith alone through Christ alone.
Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Tangle
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Message 276 of 1677 (840027)
09-22-2018 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Phat
09-22-2018 6:28 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Phat writes:
Even the most ardent atheist believes in some type of justice
Wow, even atheists? - those diseased and wanton harlots - believe in justice?
and and has a sense of right and wrong,
Fuck me, really? How did the Lord let that happen?
even if he has no moral basis for making such judgments.
What an arrogant, self-righteous prick. Why would you read this crap?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 277 of 1677 (840029)
09-22-2018 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Tangle
09-22-2018 9:23 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
You are wrongly attributing that to me as so often happens. Phat posted that.

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Tangle
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Message 278 of 1677 (840030)
09-22-2018 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
09-22-2018 10:25 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Fixed......again

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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ringo
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Message 279 of 1677 (840031)
09-22-2018 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Phat
09-22-2018 6:28 AM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Phat writes:
The rest of the article supports the idea that salvation is by faith alone through Christ alone.
The bit about "man's pride" is nonsense, as I have told you many, many, many, many times before. There's nothing prideful about getting your hands dirty and helping people.
And as I've also told you many, many, many, many times before, you're misunderstanding what faith means. It isn't just mouthing, "Lord! Lord!" It isn't sending away the policeman, the boat and the helicopter while you wait for God to save you.
It's DOING what the messenger told you to DO. It's building your own ark. It's getting on the f**king helicopter. If you don't pay any attention to the message, you don't have any real faith in the messenger.
Will you ever understand that?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 280 of 1677 (840033)
09-22-2018 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by ringo
09-22-2018 12:30 PM


The message and the messenger
How can I believe you when you doubt that the messenger even exists?
Consider
Matt 10:40-42 writes:
(NIV)
40 "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. 41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."
Jesus is essentially telling the Disciples to go spread the message. He who receives the messenger receives the message.
He who receives the disciple receives Jesus and whoever receives Jesus receives God. You keep telling me that the letter is more important than the envelope but it appears to me that the message gets spread better by receiving the messenger behind the message, as I have told you over and over and over and over. You tend to disagree, citing the fact that many who claim to know the messenger are professing empty faith. So around and around we go....
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 281 of 1677 (840034)
09-22-2018 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by ringo
09-22-2018 12:30 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
ringo writes:
It's DOING what the messenger told you to DO.
I get that. The scripture I quoted even supports what you say...giving a cup of water....
Frankly I dont see why we disagree. Im just telling you that messenger and message are equally important...whereas you are telling me that the message is everything.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 282 of 1677 (840035)
09-22-2018 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Phat
09-22-2018 2:49 PM


Re: The message and the messenger
Phat writes:
How can I believe you when you doubt that the messenger even exists?
That's my point. DON'T believe me. Don't believe the messenger either. Don't believe ANY messenger. Evaluate the message.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 283 of 1677 (840036)
09-22-2018 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Phat
09-22-2018 3:00 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Phat writes:
Im just telling you that messenger and message are equally important...
Think about what you're saying. The letter and the envelope are equally important?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003
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Message 284 of 1677 (840037)
09-22-2018 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by ringo
09-22-2018 3:04 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
no...to use a better analogy...the message of the Disciple and Jesus Who sent him are equally important. The disciple cant very well be spreading the message if Jesus and God never existed.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 285 of 1677 (840038)
09-22-2018 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by ringo
09-22-2018 3:04 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Another way to look at it is that the letter and the author of the letter are equally important.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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