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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course Christians aim to live by the golden rule and loving neighbor, as do I. But that doesn't get you saved.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: Of course Christians aim to live by the golden rule and loving neighbor, All except you...
as do I. Your own words deny that. LGBGT, Muslims, Catholics - to name but a few billion 'neighbours'
But that doesn't get you saved. That's certainly true. But then nothing does.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know it's hopeless to keep trying to correct this stuff, but one more time: I am NEVER denouncing PERSONS, EVER, only ideologies, philosophies, principles etc. I am not talking about immigrants but ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, not about LGBTS but about GAY MARRIAGE, not about Muslims but about JIHADI ISLAM, etc etc etc etc etc.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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...don't forget Catholics....
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: Percy writes: Faith writes: I don't know why you are all arguing. What Phat quoted is standard Christian (Protestant) biblical doctrine: We are SAVED by faith alone in Christ alone, not by our good works or good deeds. Good works FOLLOW faith and validate faith... This is demonstrably not true. What follows from your brand of Christian faith is hatred of immigrants, Muslims and LGBT's, love of instruments of death, tyranny over the rights of others over their own bodies, and taking away affordable healthcare. I have no such hatreds. If your attitude and treatment of these people is the same as people who hate them, then what does it matter whether you acknowledge your own feelings as hate or not.
But not to lose sight of the topic, Christian salvation is not by good works but by faith, and good works are the consequence of faith. The consequence of your faith seems to be bad works. This would argue that your faith is not in God but in some other entity.
And again, what you call good, God calls evil. Abortion is evil, allowing potentially dangerous jihadists access to innocent "infidels" is evil, encouraging LGBT's to live a lie about their nature and force everybody else to support that lie is evil, and support of illegal immigration is evil. You're just declaring these things evil and singling out these people for Christian persecution. By the way, no one is advocating illegal immigration, but the Trump administration has made fleeing death and destitution illegal, and you seem to be in favor of this Trump policy. I assume you're also in favor of Trump's recent proposal to reduce the refugee quota to 30,000, the lowest since the program began in 1980. You probably would also have been in favor of the restrictions against Jewish immigration in the years leading up to WWII, a policy even more shameful than the gathering of Japanese Americans into concentration camps during WWII. We could have allowed millions of Jews into this country from Germany and Poland and Ukraine, but we turned a deaf ear to their pleas for asylum, just as Trump turns a deaf ear toward the plight of desperate Central Americans today.
And again, I have no feeling of hatred toward any of the people you list. None whatever, I hope the best for all of them, I just disagree with you about what the best is. Yes, that's precisely what is evil about you. You want to impose on these people what you think is best for them instead of providing sanctuary to the desperate and allowing all the freedom to make their own decisions and have the same rights as everyone else. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: I know it's hopeless to keep trying to correct this stuff, but one more time: I am NEVER denouncing PERSONS, EVER, only ideologies, philosophies, principles etc. You're just pretending to yourself that this isn't about people.
I am not talking about immigrants but ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION,... But you're in favor of making illegal as much immigration as possible.
...not about LGBTS but about GAY MARRIAGE,... And about the bathrooms they use and the apartments they rent and the cakes they buy.
...not about Muslims but about JIHADI ISLAM... You apply your religious bigotry to all followers of Islam. You call it a murderous religion. You were for Trump's Muslim ban. You're not fooling anyone. When people call you out for your hateful beliefs you shift for a while into minimizing and deemphasizing their hateful aspects, but as soon you feel it's safe to pop your head up again you begin spewing hate, all conveniently justified by your homophobic, xenophobic, religiously intolerant religious beliefs. --Percy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
And a stranger shalt thou not wrong, neither shalt thou oppress him; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It's because I'm a skeptic. I can't fathom being a lifelong skeptic and yet advocating doing the message sent by a non-existent Ghost. I'm skeptical of the message and the messenger. I have tested the message against the evidence and yes, helping people is good for everybody. I have also tested the messenger against the evidence and found little reason to put any importance on him. He did figure out the message but so did almost everybody else. Unfortunately, his self-proclaimed "followers" are often more of a hindrance than a help in implementing the message.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Phat quoted a commentator. The Bible disagrees. Matthew 25 makes it clear that the yardstick by which God's grace operates is the way you treat other people. Faith does not mean mouthing, "Lord! Lord!" It means feeding the hungry, etc. my view, which is what Phat quoted from Got Questions, is the biblical view that was recovered by the Protestant Reformation.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Got Questions stated the Reformation doctrine quite clearly. Feeding the hungry is a necessity but it doesn't save you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The Bible is equally clear and it disagrees.
Got Questions stated the Reformation doctrine quite clearly. Faith writes:
Neither does saying, "Lord! Lord!" God's grace is a whim and feeding the hungry is the yardstick that He uses. Feeding the hungry is a necessity but it doesn't save you.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are history-challenged, to put it nicely.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It's ironic that you claim to be a Bible believer and yet you throw the Bible out the window in favour of Christian history. You are history-challenged, to put it nicely.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And that remark makes you logic-challenged as well.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Two ad hominems are no substitute for an actual argument. Do you have one? And that remark makes you logic-challenged as well.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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