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Phat
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Message 1486 of 1748 (840178)
09-24-2018 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1483 by ringo
09-24-2018 3:33 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
ringo writes:
He (Jesus) was prone to a lot of human foibles.
Name a few. The only one I've ever heard told is the temper tantrum in the temple, but it seems logical that if it really was His Fathers House he would have every right to chase the marketers out the door. Got any more?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Tangle
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Message 1487 of 1748 (840179)
09-24-2018 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1484 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:35 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
the word "week" is a translation of the Hebrew word for "seven." It doesn't take a lot of thought to figure out that it's referring to years in batches of sevens.
Only in your world Faith.
In my world the word week means seven days. If it means 7 years then the translation should say that because, you know, it's several orders of magnitude wrong. But in either case, it still didn't happen.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 1488 of 1748 (840180)
09-24-2018 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1487 by Tangle
09-24-2018 3:41 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
You can't understand the Old Testament without SOME basic respect for how the Hebrew language is used.

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Tangle
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Message 1489 of 1748 (840183)
09-24-2018 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1488 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:43 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
You can't understand the Old Testament without SOME basic respect for how the Hebrew language is used.
Neither of us read the bible in Hebrew. We read it in English. If the English translation is 'week' then it means 7 days. If it actually means something else, then the translation is wrong.
But, as I say, in either case, the prophecy, like all others - your own included - failed.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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ringo
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Message 1490 of 1748 (840184)
09-24-2018 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1485 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:35 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Jesus had not one human foible.
If Jesus wasn't susceptible to sin, there would have been no point in Satan tempting Him.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1491 of 1748 (840185)
09-24-2018 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1481 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:32 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
They specifically answer your false complaint.
YOU didn't answer it. I pointed out that it only takes one ambiguity to make ambiguity.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 1492 of 1748 (840186)
09-24-2018 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1489 by Tangle
09-24-2018 3:51 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
The best translations take into account the way Hebrew is used because often its meanings are lost if a flatfooted translation is made instead. Hebrew has all kinds of conventions that help bring out its meanings and a good preacher will explain these things.

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Faith 
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Message 1493 of 1748 (840187)
09-24-2018 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1490 by ringo
09-24-2018 3:59 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Who said Jesus wasn't susceptible to sin?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1494 of 1748 (840188)
09-24-2018 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1491 by ringo
09-24-2018 4:02 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
You are wrong about that, but in any case this wasn't about ambiguity. I was answering your claim that Christians made up original sin and blood sacrifice rather than relying on the Bible. They are both unambiguously in the Bible.

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ringo
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Message 1495 of 1748 (840189)
09-24-2018 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1486 by Phat
09-24-2018 3:39 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
Name a few.
Besides His tantrum in the Temple, He destroyed an innocent herd of pigs and he withered a fig tree. Anger seems to have been one of His weaknesses. He also used perfume on his feet - I don't know if that was vanity or just plain selfishness. He prayed to be excused from the cross. On the cross He practically denounced God for forsaking Him. Sounds pretty human to me.
Seriously, you should know this stuff.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1496 of 1748 (840190)
09-24-2018 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1493 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:07 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Who said Jesus wasn't susceptible to sin?
You said He had no human foibles. What could be more human than susceptibilty to sin?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1497 of 1748 (840191)
09-24-2018 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1494 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:08 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
I was answering your claim that Christians made up original sin and blood sacrifice rather than relying on the Bible. They are both unambiguously in the Bible.
No, they are not unambiguous in the Bible. I showed you the contradictory verses. The only thing that's unambiguous about it is your cherry-picked preference.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 1498 of 1748 (840192)
09-24-2018 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1495 by ringo
09-24-2018 4:12 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Jesus never did anything that was not absolutely perfect and correct. He never lost control. His anger was always righteous and correct. Accepting the perfume was a way of saying He was worth it all. The poor you will always have with you but me you will not always have with you. He is worth ten thousand million alabaster boxes of the costliest stuff. The way you denigrate His noble actions and words is positively nauseating.

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Faith 
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Message 1499 of 1748 (840193)
09-24-2018 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1497 by ringo
09-24-2018 4:18 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
You don't know how to read the Bible and eventually it is just a tedious futility to try to debate you.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1500 of 1748 (840194)
09-24-2018 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1498 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Jesus never did anything that was not absolutely perfect and correct.
I gave you examples and all you give in return is unsupported denial.
Faith writes:
The way you denigrate His noble actions and words is positively nauseating.
Pointing out that He was human is not denigrating. He's a lot more impressive as a human who resisted temptation most of the time than as a God who could do no wrong.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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