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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Name a few. The only one I've ever heard told is the temper tantrum in the temple, but it seems logical that if it really was His Fathers House he would have every right to chase the marketers out the door. Got any more? He (Jesus) was prone to a lot of human foibles.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
We have discussed these topics at length many times here at EvC and still have not resolved our basic differences regarding our particular Christian beliefs, dogmas, and literal interpreted meanings which are the basis for our faith.
I can see the argument over the necessity of Jesus being only human for the story to have any meaning. To merely anthropomorphize God as a God/Man means that His sacrifice was no big deal, according to you. To portray Jesus as a fallible human, however, shows us no standard of perfection which we believe that God demands from humanity. If He couldn't do it, none of us ever will. If, however, God is grading/judging/evaluating us by weighing what we could have done versus what we actually did and do, your argument begins to become more clear. Not saying I agree with it just yet.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: Unless of course God actually existed. Lets say that He did. Would you expect to understand Him? Would you find it silly that others claimed to have any sort of understanding? Maybe they were improving their understanding while you were off fishing. Or maybe while you were fishing you meditated peacefully and improved your understanding without you even being aware of what it was that you were gaining an understanding of. The entirety of your belief system rest on one single book - a collection of short stories. The stories are folk tales, myth, and legend. There's no reason why anyone would have any more knowledge about what's written in there than anyone else. Its all about belief. Forget evidence.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Why is belief worthless? It's a foregone conclusion that people will disagree.
You seem to think that for anything to be valid everyone has to agree on its substance.
what you *do* have is a multitude of different personal opinions which can't be resolved but can be exploited. So much so that civilizations have clashed over them for thousands of years. It really is time we all grew up. It is true we should be wary of exploitation. What I ask is "why does growing up involve abandoning all belief?" Belief serves a human purpose. It inspires. It fuels the imagination. It provides hope. It resolves inner angst (though in some cases it DOES cause it) Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Are you saying that God is talking to them privately, explaining things? I don't believe that God usually gives us direct answers. He stimulates our thinking. We don't simply all receive one similar answer. If so why is Faith's position not the same as GDR's? Faith and GDR disagree in minor matters. Faith is highly dogmatic and her belief centers on strict Biblical Inerrancy as well as Gods infallible perfection. This leaves little room for discussion. GDR emphasizes Jesus as a living presence and disregards strict interpretation of the book as limiting and even idolatrous. Is he telling different people different stories? No. People make up their own stories based on what their inner perception is. Is he lying to some? No. They lie to themselves. All? Highly doubtful. If so, God is unlike what we have taught that He is. I can see why you would conclude that it is better to ignore Him altogether rather than risk finding out He is the wrong God!Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Believe what you want. You've never trusted Him anyway. I've yet to meet a drunk with any real wisdom. (unless you are one and I don't know it!)
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Is it a lie? You have indicated that you dont even believe that He exists. You interpret His message as working for the people. You trust humans.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Your God plans to torture me for eternity, so he isn't very appealing. Why would He torture you? Do you have a documented reason?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
tghats what you get for believing the message yet ignoring the messenger.
There is no evidence even in the Bible that God would torture you specifically. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Care to quote it?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Do you feel as if you resemble those on the Left hand? Is there any reason why you could argue on their behalf, even if you were not obne of them? Is God obligated to save everybody regardless of their behavior and actions?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
A decent God wouldn't have to "save" anybody from Himself. Tell me. Would you just open the doors to your home and let anybody who walked by enter and stay the night...without so much as an impression of their character? Yes yes, we know about doing for the least of these in regards to feeding and clothing...but I am talking about literally sharing the space that you occupy. It is my belief that God desires all to live in His "house" yet He won't simply invite them all in since some carry viruses that can infect others. Hence the sheep and the goats. You cant simply let goats in with the sheep.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If you consider them equally valid they are equally valid to you. The question is whether or not they all offer the same benefits
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Is your God that puny that he can't control what goes on in his own house? If you invited a stranger into your house and could control whether or not they stole, would you thus be controlling any and all of your guests? Would you (if you were all-powerful) allow them to simply steal whatever their freewill wanted? Would you nevertheless invite everyone in? Is there no standards for your guests? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I just read an interesting take on this parable here.
To wit:
quote: It makes the idea of being a homeless (or very poor) suffering Christian a hard life to follow and, if in fact, that is what God wants, few will actually do it...likely myself included. I at least want a place to lay my head.
ringo writes: What makes you think everybody should end up in Heaven? Some of them likely would refuse to follow the protocol. Why would anybody in heaven need to steal? You're just making a bad analogy worse.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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