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jar
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Message 241 of 848 (840335)
09-27-2018 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Thugpreacha
09-27-2018 8:35 AM


Re: Today's handguns
Hopefully absolutely nothing. But I will also carry a knife and other objects.

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Message 242 of 848 (840336)
09-27-2018 8:49 AM
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09-27-2018 8:43 AM


Re: Today's handguns
Freud would have a field day with the phallic symbolism.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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jar
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Message 243 of 848 (840337)
09-27-2018 8:51 AM
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09-27-2018 8:49 AM


Re: Today's handguns
That's fine. But irrelevant. And he'd have a hard time making a case with anyone familiar with handguns.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 244 of 848 (840338)
09-27-2018 8:54 AM
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09-27-2018 8:51 AM


Re: Today's handguns
I mean, I can see the pride and sense of responsibility entailed in carrying guns and being allowed to do so. We would be far safer if people like you were around whenever a rogue gunman attempts to inflict carnage on people. I have a question, though. Was the wild west really as wild as the John Wayne movies and the TV show Gunsmoke portrayed it as? How many people were handy with their firearms? How many gunfights actually occurred in History?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
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You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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jar
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Message 245 of 848 (840339)
09-27-2018 9:21 AM
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09-27-2018 8:54 AM


Re: Today's handguns
We tend to forget that the "Wild West" wasn't really all that long ago. Tom Threepersons (the Cherokee not Canadian Tom Three Persons) developed his holster design to improve access and comfort in them new fangled automobiles that were replacing horses. He ended up getting shot five times (and kicked in the head by a horse that eventually led to his death) so there was lots of violence. Much of it was between Border Patrol or Rangers or Marshalls and smugglers and not just in the "WEST". But then as now, guns were simply a tool for many folk. I've had to shoot several rattlers that took residence out of the sun under folks porches or steps.

But there is also an often unmentioned advantage to being armed and that is a heightened awareness, responsibility and constant vigilance of my surroundings. I can and do try to avoid any possible conflicts, ignore petty annoyances, have no need to try to exert authority. If Freud wants to question my masculinity then that's fine. That's his right and if that makes him feel better then I'm all for it. If someone needs to pass me or drive faster than me or cut in front of me, that's fine. I don't have to get where I'm going more than the other person. If one of the members here at EvC says I should be taken out and shot, then he is welcomed to that opinion.

There are responsibilities that go along with gun ownership so any guns not on my person or directly under my control are locked away in safes. Ammo is locked away in other safes. My guns are cleaned regularly and I try to get to the range to practice at least twice a week if not more often. I respect all posted signs restricting handgun carry, even those that violate the laws.


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Message 246 of 848 (840340)
09-27-2018 9:24 AM
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09-27-2018 8:30 AM


Re: Today's handguns
jar writes:

Today I'll be openly carrying an FEG PJK-9...and...a Smith & Wesson Double Action model 4...

The irony is that though the guns might make you feel safer, you are actually placing yourself and those around you in greater danger. Unless you're taking them to the local smelting plant there is no good reason for carrying them, and certainly not loaded with "one round in the chamber."

--Percy


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jar
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Message 247 of 848 (840341)
09-27-2018 9:30 AM
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09-27-2018 9:24 AM


Re: Today's handguns
I can't fit more than one round in a chamber.

Fortunately in the US I will be legal in almost every State.

One of the exceptions shown on the map is New Hampshire but that is misleading. New Hampshire has no reciprocity with Texas since it is unneeded. New Hampshire recognizes Constitutional Carry where no license is needed whether you are a State resident or a visitor. That means that in 44 of the 50 States I can carry as I am today totally legally.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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Message 248 of 848 (840342)
09-27-2018 10:19 AM
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09-27-2018 9:30 AM


Re: Today's handguns
jar writes:

That means that in 44 of the 50 States I can carry as I am today totally legally.

I didn't say you were acting illegally. I said you were placing yourself and those around you in greater danger.

--Percy


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jar
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Message 249 of 848 (840343)
09-27-2018 10:52 AM
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09-27-2018 10:19 AM


Re: Today's handguns
And I said you are welcome to your opinion. But regardless of your opinion in the US what I am doing is legal in almost every State.

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Message 250 of 848 (840345)
09-27-2018 11:43 AM
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09-27-2018 10:52 AM


Re: Today's handguns
jar writes:

And I said you are welcome to your opinion. But regardless of your opinion in the US what I am doing is legal in almost every State.

Cops will shoot innocent people even if all they have on them is a cell phone. Just for your own safety you may want to rethink the advantages of open and/or concealed carry.


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jar
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Message 251 of 848 (840346)
09-27-2018 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by Taq
09-27-2018 11:43 AM


Re: Today's handguns
Cops are somewhat smarter than you seem to give them credit. So far all the cops I've encountered while openly carrying a handgun have been more interested in discussion than shooting me.

Granted cops are not as practiced with handguns as I am and the average cop does not train with handguns as much as I do but they like all other humans are generally considerate.


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Message 252 of 848 (840347)
09-27-2018 1:08 PM
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09-27-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Today's handguns
jar writes:

Cops are somewhat smarter than you seem to give them credit. So far all the cops I've encountered while openly carrying a handgun have been more interested in discussion than shooting me.

Their intelligence goes away when they are under stress in a situation where they believe their lives are at risk. This isn't a criticism of cops, it is simply a human reaction. People have been shot for simply reaching towards their back pocket to get their ID.


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Message 253 of 848 (840348)
09-27-2018 1:21 PM
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09-27-2018 1:08 PM


Re: Today's handguns
Taq writes:

People have been shot for simply reaching towards their back pocket to get their ID.


That's why I don't carry ID.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 254 of 848 (840349)
09-27-2018 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by ICANT
04-05-2018 9:22 PM


Re: Problem
1. Love the Lord thy God with all your mind, body, and spirit.
2. Love thy neighbor as much as you love yourself.

If everybody just obeyed the second one there would be no problems and we could go back to sleeping with unlocked doors.

If I shoot you I want you dead not wounded. Therefore I want a weapon that will fire a bullet that will penetrate your body armor and kill you.

There's just no end to the things they say with a straight face! I can't wait to share this one around the office...


"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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jar
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Message 255 of 848 (840350)
09-27-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Taq
09-27-2018 1:08 PM


Re: Today's handguns
Yup, and part of MY responsibility is to make sure stuff like that does not happen. Basic handgun training says that you announce what you are going to do and wait for the police to acknowledge that before you reach for that id.

For example, let's go over one of the really hairy situations, a night traffic stop. You roll down the window, put your hands on the steering wheel and wait for the officer to arrive. Then you tell the officer where your id is and that you have a handgun on your body and where the handgun is. You then wait for the officer to tell you what to do.

The goal is to keep stress at the lowest possible level, to NOT do things that can be misunderstood.


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