Tribute Thread For the Recently Raptured Faith

Are not gays your fellow men? Would not assisting in a wedding that brings your fellow men great joy be a good thing. Are not women your fellow men (or fellow women if you prefer to genderize the familiar term)? Would not assisting women in making decisions about their own bodies be a good thing? Why would you want to cause your fellow women pain and anguish and risk to their lives by taking away medically performed abortions?Your focus is on belief and not on the happiness and wellbeing of your fellow man. You don't really care about your fellow man except to judge their belief.--Percy

Having the best interests of your fellow man at heart is leftist political correctness? Who knew!Faith, what is wrong with you? You're disparaging the better angels of our nature as if they were bad qualities. Basic humanity means empathy and compassion. You appear to have none, just blind inflexible belief. If there really is a judgment day then when that day comes you'll find those beliefs cold comfort as your deeds are measured against the yardstick of good will toward men.--Percy

Maybe you just can't see it from the inside, but anyone looking at you from the outside can see it clearly. It's puzzling that you think you've displayed tolerance and compassion toward LGBT's and immigrants and Muslims and leftists and so forth, because your judgments are indisputably full of all the pettiness and wrath of an Old Testament God. What I've objectively described is how good people behave independent of political thought. Again, I wasn't characterizing it, I was referring to it. But obviously your evidence was wrong or misinterpreted since everyone is still here and we're still waiting for the rapture. The rapture is like fusion power: it lies in the future and always will.--Percy

So you believe, but when your beliefs were put to the test they failed. Maybe some reconsideration of your beliefs is in order. It is a measure of the distance you've put between yourself and any true God that you believe empathy and compassion and goodness are some political plot. You're just sloganeering. To impose your will on some other woman's body is evil. Denial of joy and happiness to your fellow man is the true realm of the tyrant. You're doing what you think the Bible tells you, but that isn't faith. Faith is believing when common sense tells you not to. It isn't just goodness you're questioning, it's everything it stands for. It's kindness and joy and love and all the other intangibles. Someday you'll find that your way of facing the world just doesn't work. And when you do, don't overlook those lovely intangibles. You'll discover those are the only things that are worthwhile.--PercyPS - Last paragraph highly plagiarized.

Someone dumped this into summation mode so I'm not bothering to read the responses to me since I can't reply directly to them, and responding to their specifics in a summation would not be in the spirit of summation mode.--Percy

If you think God is telling you to be cruel to people it's probably not God you're talking to. There's nothing positive about cruelty. If it were true it wouldn't be advocating cruelty. God wouldn't be telling you to treat people cruelly. You're not practicing anything resembling Christian charity if you have to tear others down to build yourself up. Your God thinks goodness is evil? Again, I don't think it's God you're talking to. There's no goodness in imposing your religious views on others. Cruelty gives you joy. Interesting. That paragraph you responded to was actually something Fred Gaily said to Doris Walker in Miracle on 34th Street, with minor edits for context.--Percy

Yes, your rapture prediction. You believed the rapture would happen earlier this month. Your beliefs were wrong, just as scores of Christians making the same prediction have been wrong before you. Your beliefs have failed a test. Christians have believed the rapture was near for almost 2000 years, and they've been wrong for almost 2000 years. How is believing that something would happen that didn't not a failure? If you were wrong about the rapture being earlier this month, then since all the rest of this has the same Biblical basis it is probably wrong, too.--Percy

More accurately, it's cruel the way kicking a blind man is cruel. How is this any different from anything else that's completely fictional?--Percy

This is demonstrably not true. What follows from your brand of Christian faith is hatred of immigrants, Muslims and LGBT's, love of instruments of death, tyranny over the rights of others over their own bodies, and taking away affordable healthcare.You've latched onto a religion that tells you heaven is reserved for those whose lives are filled with hate, repression, denial and death.--Percy

If your attitude and treatment of these people is the same as people who hate them, then what does it matter whether you acknowledge your own feelings as hate or not. The consequence of your faith seems to be bad works. This would argue that your faith is not in God but in some other entity. You're just declaring these things evil and singling out these people for Christian persecution.By the way, no one is advocating illegal immigration, but the Trump administration has made fleeing death and destitution illegal, and you seem to be in favor of this Trump policy. I assume you're also in favor of Trump's recent proposal to reduce the refugee quota to 30,000, the lowest since the program began in 1980. You probably would also have been in favor of the restrictions against Jewish immigration in the years leading up to WWII, a policy even more shameful than the gathering of Japanese Americans into concentration camps during WWII. We could have allowed millions of Jews into this country from Germany and Poland and Ukraine, but we turned a deaf ear to their pleas for asylum, just as Trump turns a deaf ear toward the plight of desperate Central Americans today. Yes, that's precisely what is evil about you. You want to impose on these people what you think is best for them instead of providing sanctuary to the desperate and allowing all the freedom to make their own decisions and have the same rights as everyone else.--Percy

You're just pretending to yourself that this isn't about people. But you're in favor of making illegal as much immigration as possible. And about the bathrooms they use and the apartments they rent and the cakes they buy. You apply your religious bigotry to all followers of Islam. You call it a murderous religion. You were for Trump's Muslim ban.You're not fooling anyone. When people call you out for your hateful beliefs you shift for a while into minimizing and deemphasizing their hateful aspects, but as soon you feel it's safe to pop your head up again you begin spewing hate, all conveniently justified by your homophobic, xenophobic, religiously intolerant religious beliefs.--Percy

Hmmm, he "rhymes wih bee" key on my keyboard seems o have sopped working. I waned o reply, bu i will have o wai.--Percy

Replying from my development machine. This conceit is similar to Faith's, the big difference being that you are actually decent by all evidence we see here. You actually care about people. That is the way you are made. It is who you are. It has nothing to do with Grace or some magic person in the sky.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Grammar.

To build on what Tangle just said, you do realize that social security, Medicare and Medicaid are socialist programs. As are welfare and unemployment. Depends upon what happens to you and whether you need to draw upon a social safety net or not. If you live out your life healthy and employed and with hefty retirement funds then improved social programs would not make your life any better. But if you experience any catastrophic health problems you wouldn't risk destitution. If you become unemployed for a couple years you wouldn't use up your savings (specifics differ greatly by country). And if you're unable to save enough for retirement the European equivalent of social security wouldn't have you end up living like a pauper or with your children.--Percy

It's odd that other people can recall what you say much better than you can. Regarding Pizzagate (that John Podesta's hacked emails contained coded messages about a child sex ring run by Hillary Clinton out of the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in Washington DC), you were all over the place about it in the Fake polls, fake news thread, but Paul is probably thinking of where you said something like this from Message 99: If you follow the sub-thread forward from there you'll see that you were imbuing something as absurd as Pizzagate with some kind of credibility. It's like believing there's some basis in fact for Hawthorne's Young Goodman Brown.The Pizzagate conspiracy theory evidently originated at a white supremacist Twitter account, see Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory over at Wikipedia.AbE: Should have read forward before posting, I see Paul already tracked down the Faith quote.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Fix spelling; AbE.