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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
OK, but you will get taken advantage of many times.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I suppose that's between Him and me.
I dont use it as an excuse to do nothing, but I feel I have a right to decide how my money will be spent. Perhaps I am wrong...but the evidence shows that we have no supreme ruler to direct things---all we have is each other. And I won't allow the law to determine that I must give everything I have. Again, socialism without trusted authority is a risky investment. If I work hard for my money---and I do---I'm not simply going to obey a social law that says I MUST help the masses indiscriminately. If I believe that Jesus tells me to help someone I will help them no matter what I personally think of them, but I'm not going to adopt a principle...Matthew 25...and combine it with secular socialist ideals and claim that mandatory sharing will lead to utopia on earth. Reality does not support that.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
If there was such a law, you certainly would allow it. No. I would fight and defy it.
I promise you nothing but blood, sweat, toil and tears. I can't promise that I will keep up.A life with only duties and no rewards is hardly worth the sacrifice. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
But of course socialist/Christian principles do have material rewards as well. You get help when you need it too. The two are not synonymous. Altruistic socialists will never find heaven on their own nor will they join together and sing Kum Ba Yah and make the world a paradise without the help of the messenger. We need Jesus. The fact that you do not see this does not negate its reality. But of course, you will say that He has not nor likely will show up to help us and so we have to do it on our own. And I say that History shows me that socialism in extreme form is not to be trusted any more than any other human form of government. If there ever is a law requiring me to give all that I have to the state, I would fight it. Hopefully successfully before it even became a law. If I help my fellow humans, I want to do it willfully and cheerfully. If you claim that humans need to be forced in order to do it successfully, you are exposing the main flaw in socialism---that society creates its own authoritarian structure for keeping social order. Humans are flawed. Period. We need freedom from imposition from other humans. We need the right to keep our stuff. Having a common pot won't work....someone somewhere will steal from that common pot.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Doesn't being a decent human being appeal to you at all? My assumption is that I am decent by Grace anyway. I am not like a Jehovahs Witness that has to put in work in order to earn the right for salvation. If God does not like me as I am, He most certainly wouldn't like a begrudging servant who has to work for Him day and night. You can make a case for Jesus commanding us to do this or that (even though you dont believe in Jesus) and then relabel your socialism as Christian/Socialism, but I see through the charade. You want a secular human society that sees the need for everyone to contribute. Mandatory contribution! That is what I fight against. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
After a bit of googling, I found that my true enemy is communism.
Wiki writes: If you favor communism, we have beef. Socialism is an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system. ... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not. 5. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst while communism seeks to get rid of capitalism.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Are you saying that under communism the US would be better off? That sounds contrived. And all I care about is whether I would be better off. If the majority of the poor are better off and im worse off, its a losing situation.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I read this article:
Can Socialism Work In America? and it was a well thought out piece, The author concludes: In theory, pure socialism sounds like an ideal system in which no one would exploit another person and everyone would be equal. However, this system has been tried out in other countries, such as the former USSR, and has been discarded due to its impracticalities. It seems that while everyone was equal in practice, there was still a hierarchy with politicians and their cronies at the top, leading to disparities between people, and there were a lot of shortages of even essential items. While American capitalism has not resulted in an equal distribution of wealth, anyone is free to aspire to something better and better act in her own best interests. Rather than looking to socialism, a better way to deal with market distortions is to have the government play a larger role and creating impediments so that businesses don’t take on large risks and only reap the rewards, while the government backstops them if things don’t work out.
Capitalism has led to occasional economic distress and distortions. While it is not a perfect system, compared with pure socialism, it seems it is the lesser of two evils. Thus, it seems a capitalistic system, with some socialist touches, might be what is best for the US. It seems to make sense. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: No, as long as we all earn a fair profit. we should get to keep our money once we are paid, though. What do you think? Do you think an employee-owned company is evil?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
As you know, I was faced with bankruptcy in 2008. I did negotiate a deal with the court where I repaid an agreed upon amount which was not all that I would have owed. Had I not had that option, I would have been basically indebted for life and would not have been able to finance my home which I now live in nor save anything for my needs as I grow older.
Was it fair? Yes and no. After all, I was responsible for the situation I had gotten myself in. Strict Capitalists would never have given an inch. I have to thank limited socialism for giving me a second chance at a sound financial future. So should Donald Trump. He too was bankrupt at one time. I remember that you advised me to pay it all back...as a responsibility to society, but that would have been virtually impossible. I did learn my lesson and have not been in any debt since.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
perhaps under today's capitalism, the middle class see themselves aligned with the oligarchy in the hopes of attaining a better position economically in life. Under socialism, that same middle class, as I understand it, would eventually blend in with the masses below them...leaving the small oligarchy at the top to contend with.
ringo may claim that the "lie" that I believe is that my "cushy" life would get worse under socialism, whereas he thinks it would improve...somehow. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I read that preview. Prodigal Press: Confronting the Anti-Christian Bias of the American News Media (Revised and Updated Edition)
Caffeine does make a point: Caffeine writes: The journalists were biased towards a Christian worldview whereas today journalists are biased towards a secular worldview. Granted journalism by definition *should* be objective, but this book makes a case that there is really no such thing as absolute objectivity. The authors feel that we have thrown the baby out with the bathwater and I can see their point. ...when people say the US was never a Christian nation I think they're talking about the constitutional basis of the state. This is not the same as the question of how religious the society was. That Western society was a lot more Christian in the past is hardly a secret. This applies to US society in particular, where the decline in religious belief is more recent and slower than it has been in most of the industrialized world.The original book is available online here. The authors note in Chapter 3 quote: Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Their basic point is that even so-called objective journalism promotes something.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Before commenting, I would like to point out that the original intent of this topic was to announce Faith's rapture from the planet. This did not happen---at least not yet but the topic has morphed into the demise of journalism and global acknowledgment of the life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and what that event meant in a historical context for our culture and values today...in 2018.
PaulK seems to argue that the event (alleged event, according to some) was not that influential or notable in Global History. I would agree with Faith that the Christian beliefs of early journalism did attempt to sway culture into an acknowledgment of the importance of a resurrected Christ and the subsequent impact upon human purpose and emphasis. Granted Christianity was only dominant in the West, but the West drove much of the power of the expansion of ideas into the media-at-large while the rest of the world played catchup--Islam being a notable exception. Paul may well argue that secular objectivity should be the benchmark and that the press simply drifted more towards neutral objectivity, but the authors, and Faith---will claim that there is no such thing as neutral objectivity and that by promoting secularism and acceptance of social mores once considered taboo, the press has been influencing popular culture in some arguably destructive ways since the demise of the pro Christian bias. Personally, I think that if this is to change, the people themselves need to change---and wake up to reality. Of course many would argue that a focus on Christian worldviews is not realistic while others would argue that this is, in fact, the root of the problem.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
huh? whats that?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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