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jar
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Message 332 of 1184 (840493)
09-30-2018 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Percy
09-30-2018 6:20 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Percy writes:
Why don't you tell us again how you store your guns and ammo safely and separately, how no one else has access to them, how careful you are, how often you go to the shooting range and practice, how you sometimes have a trainer give you feedback, how you never rely on the safety, how you always assume there's a round in the chamber, and on and on.
That's certainly not bragging Percy but rather minimal safety training covered before someone in Texas is granted a License to Carry and even part of the required testing before the License can be granted. Most of those things were stuff I learned before I even started school from family training.
Percy writes:
Regardless of what you have never said, you *are* part of the gun problem in the US.
And I have said repeatedly I support your right to hold such a position.
Percy writes:
If it's impossible that your guns could ever do someone harm, how could they protect you? How could you ever shoot them before they shoot you if your guns can't harm them?
I'm sure your guns are a great comfort to you, but it is a false comfort because they actually place you (and those around you) in greater danger.
But here again you first present a strawman position I have never claimed and the make another unsupported assertion where you have never provided any evidence in support.
Percy writes:
There you go bragging again about how safe you are with guns. If you want to make 100% certain you don't harm an innocent person then leave your guns locked up at home. Once you carry your guns out of the house that 100% certainty drops.
And so you continue to post false and misleading assertions. Saying that I train is not bragging, it should be expected. Nor have I ever presented or claimed any 100% certainty.
Really Percy, try something that's not as asinine as all you have presented so far. There, I did not say stupid.

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jar
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Message 333 of 1184 (840494)
09-30-2018 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by DrJones*
09-30-2018 6:40 PM


DrJones* writes:
1. .357 SIG is expensive
2. .357 SIG is hard to find
3. .357 SIG is not fun to shoot.
Amen Brother, Preach the Gospel. It looks funny and smells of Elderberry too.

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Message 334 of 1184 (840498)
09-30-2018 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by jar
09-30-2018 7:44 PM


but it's an oddball so I had to have it. In a separate topic, my BHPs:

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ICANT
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Message 335 of 1184 (840500)
10-01-2018 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 323 by jar
09-30-2018 4:56 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi jar,
jar writes:
There is a difference between military training and civilian training. In the military it is reasonable to train to kill; as a civilian though the emphasis should be on avoiding anyone getting killed. The goal is to avoid the situation where a gun ever gets pointed at you.
You are quite right about much of the training being different.
I received the military long before I attended classes before I obtained my cc license. I wanted the classes to get the legal training of what to do and not do in the event I ever had to use my weapon. I did not have to get the training to get my cc license as my military training was sufficient.
But the object of the training was to stay alive. If it was necessary for someone to die make sure it was the other person not you.
But I haven't heard of any of these shooters announcing they were going to shoot people. They just walk in and start blasting away.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 336 of 1184 (840501)
10-01-2018 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 330 by Percy
09-30-2018 6:20 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
There you go bragging again about how safe you are with guns. If you want to make 100% certain you don't harm an innocent person then leave your guns locked up at home. Once you carry your guns out of the house that 100% certainty drops.
You sure don't know anything about guns.
Question Percy. Do you ever go out in the public? Assuming you have hands they are a deadly weapon. If you have car or truck keys like I do they are as deadly as a knife or a gun.
Have you ever used your hands to harm an innocent person while you were out walking around in the world?
I been carrying a gun since I was 7 on a regular basis but not all the time. That means I have been carrying a gun for 72 years and never harmed any innocent person. Maybe that is because my guns are as much a part of me as my hands are. I can disassemble and reassemble most of my guns in less than 2 minutes blindfolded.
From the way jar talks he probably feels as I do that the gun is just an extension of his body. My gun will not fire unless I pull the trigger. I can drop it throw it down on the hammer and it would not fire. But if I pull and point it pulling the trigger it will fire.
Percy if you were to go to InSights Training Center in the pacific northwest and spend a week there you would have a different prospective of what a gun is and what a gun can be in the wrong hands.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Tangle
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Message 337 of 1184 (840504)
10-01-2018 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by ICANT
10-01-2018 1:11 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
'Christians' with guns, go tell that story to Jesus...
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Minnemooseus
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Message 338 of 1184 (840505)
10-01-2018 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 324 by jar
09-30-2018 5:08 PM


Jar has really tacky taste in jewelry
See subtitle.
To me, seeing someone (other than police or maybe military) walking around with an open carry handgun would be at least one step up from seeing someone walking around wearing a MAGA cap. Except the first would be a potentially very dangerous dofus, while the second would merely be a standard issue doofus.
I would not associate with a potentially very dangerous doofus. The standard issue doofus is bad enough.
OSLT.
Moose
ps - I would approve of open carrying a bong, which would probably get you in more trouble in Texas.
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Misspelled "OSLT".

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Message 339 of 1184 (840506)
10-01-2018 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 337 by Tangle
10-01-2018 3:14 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
From the way jar talks he probably feels as I do that the gun is just an extension of his body.
I knew that my phallic symbolism argument had merit! (check this article out)

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Percy
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Message 340 of 1184 (840508)
10-01-2018 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by ICANT
10-01-2018 1:11 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANt writes:
I been carrying a gun since I was 7 on a regular basis but not all the time. That means I have been carrying a gun for 72 years and never harmed any innocent person. Maybe that is because my guns are as much a part of me as my hands are. I can disassemble and reassemble most of my guns in less than 2 minutes blindfolded.
You are, like Jar, merely bragging about how safe you are with guns. Some 100 year old people have been smoking all their lives. Does that invalidate the smoking statistics? No. Some 79 year old people have been walking around with guns all their lives without hurting anyone. Does that invalidate the gun statistics? No.
Carrying your guns in public puts you and those around you in greater danger, not less.
You sure don't know anything about guns.
You mean about the details of the guns themselves? Yes, it's true that I don't know much about them. But just like one doesn't have to know any of the details of internal combustion engines or braking systems or exhaust systems or steering systems or tire characteristics to understand the dangers of automobiles, one doesn't have to be able to disassemble and reassemble a gun blindfolded to know how dangerous it is. Information about the dangers of guns is public and easily accessible. You should avail yourself of it.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 341 of 1184 (840509)
10-01-2018 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 332 by jar
09-30-2018 7:42 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
jar writes:
That's certainly not bragging Percy...
It's not how you perceive yourself that counts but how you are perceived by others. You're most certainly bragging.
Percy writes:
Regardless of what you have never said, you *are* part of the gun problem in the US.
And I have said repeatedly I support your right to hold such a position.
But you have no rebuttal.
Percy writes:
If it's impossible that your guns could ever do someone harm, how could they protect you? How could you ever shoot them before they shoot you if your guns can't harm them?
I'm sure your guns are a great comfort to you, but it is a false comfort because they actually place you (and those around you) in greater danger.
But here again you first present a strawman position I have never claimed...
Really? You've never claimed that? Let me quote you again:
jar in prior messages writes:
Yet you have not presented any evidence that my own gun might do someone harm.
...
It serves the same function as my car, it is something that provides comfort and protection to me.
So there you are in your own words claiming there's no evidence your guns could do anyone harm and that your guns are a comfort to you.
...and the make another unsupported assertion where you have never provided any evidence in support.
This isn't true either. I present evidence and you respond with name calling. It's like your idea of rebuttal is frozen in time from when you were a 7-year old. See the evidence presented in Message 296, to which you still haven't posted a reply. See the predecessor thread, Gun Control Again. Also, as stated several times but never addressed by you, the probability of a gun causing injury or death must, by simple logic, be greater when the gun is present than when it is not.
And so you continue to post false and misleading assertions. Saying that I train is not bragging, it should be expected. Nor have I ever presented or claimed any 100% certainty.
You beat me in the "false and misleading assertions" category every time. You *are* bragging, and inappropriately since your individual experience cannot be extrapolated to the national gun crisis. And I never said you claimed 100% certainty - that was something I said. I said that not carrying a gun makes it 100% certain that you can't kill or injure anyone with a gun, but that once you start carrying a gun that 100% certainty drops. Carrying a gun in public puts you and those around you in greater danger, not less.
Really Percy, try something that's not as asinine as all you have presented so far. There, I did not say stupid.
But you did repeat your pattern of apparently believing that name calling somehow comprises rebuttal.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Typos.

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ringo
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Message 342 of 1184 (840512)
10-01-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by ICANT
10-01-2018 1:11 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
You sure don't know anything about guns.
I know a Browning High Power when I see one. Mind you, I've never seen one in real life.

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ICANT
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Message 343 of 1184 (840541)
10-02-2018 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 342 by ringo
10-01-2018 12:01 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
I know a Browning High Power when I see one. Mind you, I've never seen one in real life.
There is a lot of those in antique gun shops and for sale on the internet.
Most are very expensive.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 344 of 1184 (840543)
10-02-2018 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by Percy
10-01-2018 8:58 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
You are, like Jar, merely bragging about how safe you are with guns.
Yes but if everybody had my training and followed what they were taught there would be no accidental shootings period.
But people like jar and myself are not going to go on a shooting spree and kill a bunch of people.
Those people are going to exist whether gun ownership is allowed or banned. There will always be a black market. I can get a weapon in Tampa, Fl. in less than 30 minutes, and I am sure that is possible in most cities.
So why do you want to take away my guns?
Percy writes:
Does that invalidate the gun statistics? No.
Which ones.
The one that shows more people are killed by fists per year than all rifles which includes the AR15.
The one that shows more people are killed by feet per year than all rifles which includes the AR15.
The one that shows more people are killed by knives per year than all rifles which includes the AR15.
So why are you not promoting a law that would do away with them.
Oh I know it is like cars they are a necessary evil we can't get along without them. You don't like guns so you think because you can get along without them I ought to conform to your way of thinking and living, and forgo owning guns. You can forget that.
There is probably 21 million ex military men that feel the same way as I do. The active service is more than 2 million men and women today.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 345 of 1184 (840547)
10-02-2018 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 337 by Tangle
10-01-2018 3:14 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
'Christians' with guns, go tell that story to Jesus...
John tells us Peter had his sword in the Garden he used to cut off Malchus. ear. John 18:10.
Luke tells us Jesus healed that man's ear. Luke 22:51.
So what's your point?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Tangle
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Message 346 of 1184 (840552)
10-02-2018 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 345 by ICANT
10-02-2018 1:34 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Jesus commanded Peter, Put your sword away!
ICANT writes:
So what's your point?
My point is that if you think that Jesus would approve of you and Jar strutting around carrying guns and knives you're corrupting everything he's supposed to stand for.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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