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Message 344 of 1184 (840543)
10-02-2018 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by Percy
10-01-2018 8:58 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
You are, like Jar, merely bragging about how safe you are with guns.
Yes but if everybody had my training and followed what they were taught there would be no accidental shootings period.
But people like jar and myself are not going to go on a shooting spree and kill a bunch of people.
Those people are going to exist whether gun ownership is allowed or banned. There will always be a black market. I can get a weapon in Tampa, Fl. in less than 30 minutes, and I am sure that is possible in most cities.
So why do you want to take away my guns?
Percy writes:
Does that invalidate the gun statistics? No.
Which ones.
The one that shows more people are killed by fists per year than all rifles which includes the AR15.
The one that shows more people are killed by feet per year than all rifles which includes the AR15.
The one that shows more people are killed by knives per year than all rifles which includes the AR15.
So why are you not promoting a law that would do away with them.
Oh I know it is like cars they are a necessary evil we can't get along without them. You don't like guns so you think because you can get along without them I ought to conform to your way of thinking and living, and forgo owning guns. You can forget that.
There is probably 21 million ex military men that feel the same way as I do. The active service is more than 2 million men and women today.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 345 of 1184 (840547)
10-02-2018 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 337 by Tangle
10-01-2018 3:14 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
'Christians' with guns, go tell that story to Jesus...
John tells us Peter had his sword in the Garden he used to cut off Malchus. ear. John 18:10.
Luke tells us Jesus healed that man's ear. Luke 22:51.
So what's your point?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 379 of 1184 (840636)
10-02-2018 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by Aussie
09-27-2018 1:29 PM


Re: Problem
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes:
There's just no end to the things they say with a straight face! I can't wait to share this one around the office...
Just be sure to tell them I have not shot anybody accidently, nor on purpose in 72 years. In the military I never had to go to war. Now I have killed a lot of animals that I ate, and shared with friends.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 383 of 1184 (840649)
10-02-2018 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by Aussie
10-02-2018 12:40 PM


Re: Problem
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes:
Funnier still, the irony seems truly lost on you.
I defend my right that is given to me by our forefathers who gave us the second amendment. I am well trained in weapons of all kinds and if you came at me without a gun I would not need my gun to get the same result, although I am getting a little old, and can't bench press over 200 lbs I think I would get by.
But in the last 72 years I have not had to point my gun at a human.
By the way I did not notice how long you had been here only that you had a few posts and I did not remember you ever answering one of my posts.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 384 of 1184 (840652)
10-02-2018 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by Tangle
10-02-2018 3:06 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi tangle,
Tangle writes:
Jesus commanded Peter, Put your sword away!
He didn't say leave it at home did he? It was His time to go to the cross so He did not need protecting.
Tangle writes:
My point is that if you think that Jesus would approve of you and Jar strutting around carrying guns and knives you're corrupting everything he's supposed to stand for.
If you met me on the street you would not know if I had my 44 magnum in my possession or not. If you met me in the woods you would see it hanging on my hip, and my shotgun in my hand or over my shoulder.
The only place you will ever hear or read me saying anything about it is here at EvC, or in a private meeting.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 385 of 1184 (840653)
10-02-2018 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 347 by caffeine
10-02-2018 4:10 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
According to the CDC, in 2015 36,252 people were killed by guns.
I said rifles because the AR15 is always the gun that invokes the ban guns argument.
Tangle writes:
I am unable to find any stats on the numbers killed specifically by rifles or fists. Do you have them handy?
I have posted them in the past and will look them up for you.
2016 Death by following means:
Total firearms 11,004
Handguns 7,105
Rifles up to 375 over 2015, 258 due to mass shootings.
Shotguns 262
Cutting instruments 1604.
Blunt objects 472.
Personal weapons, hands, fists, feet. 656.
You can find those stats: FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 4
God Bless,
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 386 of 1184 (840654)
10-02-2018 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by ringo
10-02-2018 12:54 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
Turning the other cheek is a pretty good argument against self-defense.
You slap me on one cheek I will turn the other. After that all bets are off.
But if you start to point a gun at me I will blow your brains out before you can shoot me if I can.
You crash through the door of my house I will do the same.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 387 of 1184 (840655)
10-02-2018 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Aussie
10-02-2018 2:11 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes:
According to the story, Peter was apparently "Open carrying" a lethal weapon in public. Even after following the Living Christ around as He engaged in His public ministry, there was that moment where Peter lost his temper, and USED THAT DEADLY WEAPON AGAINST A FELLOW HUMAN IN ANGER IN AN APPARENT ATTEMPT TO KILL.
What makes you think he lost his temper.
This mob was trying to take Jesus away and he was only trying to protect Jesus. In his position I would have done the same except I would have cut his head off. Then Jesus would have had a greater miracle reattaching the head, rather than the ear, for everyone to witness.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 388 of 1184 (840656)
10-02-2018 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 357 by ringo
10-02-2018 3:25 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
He said that the swords were for a (contrived) fullfilment of the prophecy
Where did He say that?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 389 of 1184 (840661)
10-02-2018 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by Percy
10-02-2018 4:54 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Is it impossible that neither you nor Jar could ever become mentally ill or despondent or depressed or violently angry or decrepit or mentally infirm, etc? Is it impossible that neither you nor Jar could ever be careless or make a mistake or drink too much or exercise poor judgment, etc? These are rhetorical questions. Except for the most conceitedly in denial, the answer is that you are both human and imperfect and of course these things are possible.
Do you think I will become mentally ill after I leave my house on the way to town?
Do think I will become despondent or depressed after I leave my house on the way to town?
Do think I will become violently angry or decrepit after I leave my house on the way to town?
Do you think I am going to drink too much since I have not had any acholic beverage since 1962?
Do you think I am going to become careless or use poor judgment after I leave the house on my way to town?
Yes I am imperfect and just a sinner and all those things are possible but they will not happen in a days time. I have a wonderful wife of 62 years and I am sure if I started suffering from any of the things you mentioned she would hide all my ammunition, car keys, and truck keys if they did happen. But I would hope that with all the training and practice I have had I would recognize them coming on and take care of the problem myself.
Percy writes:
So you gun nuts are so determined to have your guns that you'd buy them on the black market if you couldn't obtain them legally? Wow!
No I have enough to last me the rest of my life.
But just think if I could get one that quick how long would it take a criminal to get one?
The those you referred to up above in your message are the criminals I just mentioned.
Percy writes:
Rifles? I believe you and Jar's bragging has been about the handguns you all are toting, not rifles. Around 90% of murders are committed with handguns, as opposed to rifles and shotguns.
Then why are you always talking about AR15 weapons of war?
That is what is always put forth as the reason for banning guns.
But I prefer my shotgun over any other weapon. As Mr Bidden says just shoot both barrels at once. That would not work out too well I would prefer a pump action magazine fed 14" barrel that can fire a shell that has 15 pellets per shell that are about the size of an AR15 bullet. Then if that magazine happens to hold 28 shells just think of the damage that could be done with it.
Percy writes:
What I actually think you ought to do is think rationally while considering the facts.
Fact 1 is I have owned and used guns 72 years of my 79 years on the earth.
Fact 2 is I have never had an accident.
Fact 3 is I have never harmed anyone with any of my guns.
Fact 4 is the second amendment give me a constitutional right to own and use my guns.
Fact 5 it can be taken from my dead hands.
Fact 6 if I get to the point I become a danger to my wife I will lay my guns down.
Percy writes:
Like others who have recently commented I am struck by the degree to which the religious are attracted to guns and the military.
We love our country and took an oath to protect the constitution of the United States of America which is a Republic not a democracy as many claim.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 409 of 1184 (840883)
10-05-2018 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 391 by Minnemooseus
10-02-2018 11:39 PM


Re: Open carry making you a preferred target?
Hi Moose,
Moose writes:
I think that being an open carry person would somewhat be like wearing a jacket with a bullseye on it.
I only carry open carry when I am in the woods as I carry a 22 this is for snakes.
If you met me on the street you would not know I had a 44 magnum with a 12" barrel on me. When I am not wearing a suit it gets much smaller, a 9mm I can almost hide in my hand.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 410 of 1184 (840938)
10-05-2018 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Minnemooseus
10-02-2018 11:28 PM


Re: Rationally able to determine you have become irrational?
Hi Moose,
Moose writes:
What would it take for you to determine that you are no longer rational enough to possess firearms without being a danger to someone?
That is easy to answer. My wife would be the first to tell me then some of my friends would chime in then my doctor would have his say. All that would take place in a very short time.
But my grandfather, his sons, my great uncle all had all their faculties when they were well in their 90's so I got a long time before something goes haywire. Actually the day my grandfather died we went squirrel hunting and he killed 2 which grandmother cooked for his supper. He ate went to bed two hours later grandmother went in and he was already cold. He was 99 and 2 months short of 100.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 411 of 1184 (840939)
10-05-2018 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by Percy
10-04-2018 11:45 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
That's what ICANT says he would do.
I did not say that is what I would do.
This is what I said in Message 344.
quote:
Those people are going to exist whether gun ownership is allowed or banned. There will always be a black market. I can get a weapon in Tampa, Fl. in less than 30 minutes, and I am sure that is possible in most cities.
I was simply making a statement of fact as to how easy it would be to get a gun and bad people don't care where they come from.
You could ban guns and even confiscate guns and there would still be millions of guns available.
Besides that you can build a single shot shotgun for about $20, with stuff from your local hardware store.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 412 of 1184 (840941)
10-05-2018 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by Tangle
10-03-2018 2:44 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
The question was whether Jesus would approve of you carrying hand guns and knives around in public. Perhaps you could answer that.
Peter had his sword which was the weapon of the day and he had not been forbidden from having it on his person.
So why would He forbid me carrying my guns. There is some really bad people out there with really bad intentions.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 413 of 1184 (840944)
10-05-2018 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 398 by ringo
10-03-2018 11:33 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
Luke 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Jesus is talking about His going to the cross and dying as a lamb led to the slaughter, for the sins of mankind that had been prophesied, in the old testament.
No place in that verse do I see swords were needed to fulfil prophesy.
Could you point out where that prophesy is.
ringo writes:
He said that the swords were for a (contrived) fullfilment of the prophecy
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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