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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
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Message 742 of 948 (840674)
10-03-2018 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 734 by Percy
01-28-2018 5:39 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
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Actually I've talked about space-time, and once again you're engaging in gross misrepresentation. The evidence I've posted was about what the light arriving from objects millions and billions of light years away tells us.
You were wrong. It would only tell us things if time and space were the same at all points. Distances to stars (via parallax for example) cannot be attained unless the space and time used in the base line here were the same all the way to the star That is NOT known. Most of what you think the light tells us is all based on a false premise.
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Again, we have to talk about space-time. The shape of space-time is not the same everywhere. It is bent by the gravity associated with mass, and by the relative velocities of coordinate systems. Observations are consistent with theory.
Wrong. We do not know how big or far away anything is out there beyond the fishbowl. So what gravity exited there is unknown. What bends light is not known. Just because something bends light here in our time and space does not mean that is the only thing that does in the universe.
The observations we have here are IN our time, so how could they not be consistent with theories based on time here?

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Message 744 of 948 (840706)
10-03-2018 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 743 by Tanypteryx
10-03-2018 11:52 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Atoms and cells and molecules may be beautiful to some folks. Looking at some lights in the sky that are of unknown origin and distance and size and in unknown time and space is not knowledge.

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Message 747 of 948 (840749)
10-03-2018 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 745 by Tanypteryx
10-03-2018 12:49 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
That is where science is.

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Message 749 of 948 (840835)
10-04-2018 3:47 PM
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10-03-2018 4:53 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Man knows a lot about this fishbowl we live in. Too bad he hasn't been anywhere else huh?

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Message 750 of 948 (840836)
10-04-2018 3:49 PM
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10-04-2018 2:07 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
I agree. The fact that science is ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth is deep.

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Message 752 of 948 (840905)
10-05-2018 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 751 by Taq
10-04-2018 4:01 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Playing the pesky wabbit role is no substitute for making some clear and reasoned point.
Your job is to show time is the same in far space as here, not to just be aware of how time works here.

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Message 754 of 948 (840962)
10-05-2018 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 753 by ringo
10-05-2018 12:18 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
This is a science thread and the claim made by science as science are what need to be vehemently supported. I could support my dates six ways from Sunday, but what the issue is here, is your dates that you thought were science.

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Message 757 of 948 (841114)
10-08-2018 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 755 by ringo
10-06-2018 12:07 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Mentioning fables is not vehemently supporting them. The basis for them was shown, and you must deal with it or lose.

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Message 758 of 948 (841115)
10-08-2018 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 756 by RAZD
10-07-2018 10:33 AM


Re: A couple questions for creation ...
Man does see beyond the fishbowl. But it is pure fantasy to interpret all he sees here strictly by fishbowl rules...and that is what science does.

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Message 764 of 948 (841188)
10-09-2018 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 762 by RAZD
10-08-2018 2:05 PM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space
Voyager is not even one light day away!!! Yet you make claims for billions of light years away!!!!!!!!?
The bible makes more sense if your old age models and stellar evolution stuff is wrong. Since you cannot prove what time is like in the far universe you are defeated.

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Message 765 of 948 (841189)
10-09-2018 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 761 by Tanypteryx
10-08-2018 12:50 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
What you see here in the fishbowl is what you see. It is real...here. If time were not the same that would wreak bloody havok on your models though. Of course.

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Message 766 of 948 (841190)
10-09-2018 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 760 by ringo
10-08-2018 11:53 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
My side will win.

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Message 767 of 948 (841191)
10-09-2018 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 759 by Larni
10-08-2018 10:22 AM


Re: A couple questions for creation ...
Science doesn't know. It doesn't so much as know there is any change!!!!!!!

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Message 777 of 948 (841293)
10-11-2018 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 769 by Larni
10-09-2018 2:21 AM


Re: A couple questions for creation ...
Science doesn't know.
In my belief set, God created it and set it up.

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Message 778 of 948 (841294)
10-11-2018 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 777 by creation
10-11-2018 9:05 AM


Re: A couple questions for creation ...
No. My argument is that you have no idea what is beyond your street...yet are selling a map of the universe.

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