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JZ writes: I need to understand why they are so sure rings represented the exact amounts of times claimed. Is there a source for your claim that they represent just one year each? Trees growing in climates with seasons - Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn - grow in the spring and are dormant in winter. It's quite easy to understand. Dendrochronology - Wikipedia But your task here is not to nitpick methods but to explain why they all corroborate each other.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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JZ writes: Doesn't that assume seasonal fluctuation consistent with today's? We now know earth was once far more tropical than it is today (source below) so why is it assumed tree rings grew at the same rates? You're deflecting. If you want to discuss tree rings start a new thread - your task here is to explain why all the different methods of dating agree with each other. If they are ALL wrong, why do they agree? Is it a coincidence that all the dating methods are in error for diferent reasons but yet miraculously still agree with each other?Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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JZ writes: Supposedly there were supposed to be 61 samples left, even after tossing out over half for open system contamination (pg. 2435). And as best I could tell by the end, maybe I'm wrong - most of those just ended up disappearing and didn't get included in the results or final tally. Even if that wasn't the case, throwing out 4 of the 13 samples would be itself disturbing. Are you seriously objecting to scientists removing known contamination? Would you have the same objection to police forensic scientists taking every care not to contaminate DNA samples at the scene of a murder. (Clue; defense lawyers tend to do their best to prove contamination of the sample.) I think you are now burrowing underneath the barrel, having reached the bottom of it and found it empty.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Some more age correlations for you
quote: The Fatal Flaws of Flood Geology | National Center for Science EducationJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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This evolution=atheism meme that you guys keep churning out is total crap.
Can you defend it?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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marc9000 writes: Oh yes I'm so embarrassed. How could anyone see any similarities between evolution and atheism? So defend your position or shut the fuck up about it - it's a totally dumb stance, evolution is not atheism.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Is there any particular reason why you guys are still engaging with this obvious troll?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Stile writes: Just because you're bored with the toy doesn't mean everyone else is I guess, but it is irksome to see bandwidth wasted on disingenuous idiots simply here to display their private parts and get a horrified response.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: The cunningly devised fables that have been criminally called science are ALL based on the same beliefs. This is just juvenile pratter, if you want to make a seriuos point you're going to have to show why the dating methods shown in the thread are wrong. You have to explain why all the methods we have that confirm each other are incorrect. Why not try that?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: As for so called dating methods, they all use the present as the key to the past. They all use the present nature as the basis to extrapolate back..via radioactive decay, tree growth...etc etc etc. Let's establish how far back we have to go for you - do you belive that the earth is only 6,000 years old? Or iflonger, how much?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: Yes, give or take some hundreds of years the earth was created around that long ago. Ok, and the flood was about 4,300 yeras ago?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: I heard about 4500 but there is room for interpretive difference. So all we have to do is demonstrate how the world is older than 6,000 years and/or that there are organisms and civilisations older than the flood. This is a science thread that deals with earth's age and how different and independent methods demonstrate beyond all doubt that the earth is older than 6,000 yeras. It just deals with simple things that we can physically count. There are many other methods that also prove the same thing - from physics, astronomy, archaeology etc - but these are the really easy ones to understand. Because these things are not related to each other an error in one can't create an error in another. Yet they all confirm each other. This is what RAZD says at the begnning of the thread. It's your job now to explain why each of these methods are not only wrong but how they can all be wrong but still agree with each other. This is called consilience, where different and independent methods all confirm a common result. It's a very, very high standard of science. It requires more than your usual two line dismissive response; it's a serious piece of scientific work. (His original post contains links to each claim which you will need to read, it's all at post 1.)
quote: Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: Name ANY of those methods that is not based on belief that nature was the same in the past. Then we can talk. You can't. They all are. We know that a year has lasted about 365 days since man started keeping records. That's several thousand years. So for some unexplained and unevidenced reason you think that time changed somewhere around 3,000 years ago? That would mean that day length in the remaining 3,000 years would need to last millions of years. The consequences of that on biology are unimaginable. But to just name a couple, there would be huge and detectable changes to tree rings and ice layers. In fact there would be only one ring and one ice layer before the change and they would be enormous and unmissable. But they don't exist. And in any case radiometric dating methods are unaffected by day length or time changes. It decays at a set rate regardless.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: Man has not kept records very long. In fact, there seems to be no reason to assume that man even had any need to write at all in that pre flood/nature change world. I suspect that the need to communicate via written form arose after the time of the tower of Babel. So let me get this straight, when 4,500 years ago, it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, how long where those datys and nights?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Creation writes: Roughly the same as now. However apparently a year was 360 days so I guess there was some little difference. I'll let you discuss that 'little difference' with others and take that as a normal year. So we're left with about 1,500 years where a year was some millions of 'normal' years long?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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