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Author Topic:   Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1
ringo
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Message 795 of 1498 (840712)
10-03-2018 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 792 by creation
10-03-2018 12:22 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:
The correlations on earth all are based on present nature. The stuff about the far universe is all based on time being the same there also. Yes distances to stars also is based on this.
So forget about the stars and just look at the dozens of correlations here on earth. Isn't time the same for all of them? How do you explain that lake varves in Japan and ice cores in Greenland and tree rings in the US are all in agreement? What is it that skews the three different measurements in three different places around the world by exactly the same amount? Be specific.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 799 of 1498 (840792)
10-04-2018 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by creation
10-04-2018 12:32 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:
Easy. When you assume slow deposition or growth for several items, naturally you get old ages.
We can see lake varves forming. We can see ice layers forming. We can count them as they form. There is no assumption about the deposition rate.
And what do tree rings have to do with deposition rates? They're completely independent of lake varves and ice layers - and lake varves are completely independent of ice layers. So why do they give the same answers?
You should think before you try to give "easy" answers. Scientists have put in thousands of hours studying these things. A schoolboy is not going to refute them with "easy" answers.

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ringo
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Message 809 of 1498 (840913)
10-05-2018 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 801 by creation
10-04-2018 6:03 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:
Yes, as we can watch trees grow. Too bad for you that has absolutely zero to do with how layers were deposited or trees grew in the former nature.
There is no evidence of a "former nature". You can't just make things up to suit your beliefs.

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ringo
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Message 811 of 1498 (840925)
10-05-2018 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 806 by creation
10-05-2018 11:51 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:
In fact, there seems to be no reason to assume that man even had any need to write at all in that pre flood/nature change world.
Did the businessmen just memorize all of their numbers?

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ringo
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Message 819 of 1498 (840988)
10-06-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 814 by creation
10-05-2018 11:27 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:
We have the hieroglyphics and they are from the earliest civilization pretty well after the flood.
And yet the Egyptians didn't write about "the Flood" at all - just as if it didn't happen at all.

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ringo
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Message 841 of 1498 (841213)
10-09-2018 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 836 by creation
10-09-2018 12:21 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:
You see squat in the former nature....
Nobody has ever been able to show that there was a "former nature". It's a fairy tale, like Santa's workshop at the North Pole.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 849 of 1498 (841324)
10-11-2018 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 845 by creation
10-11-2018 9:11 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:
Or show nature was the same.
That's dishonest. In real life you don't demand that everything be proven to be the same. You understand that the bus stop will be in the same place as yesterday. You understand that the bus will go to the same places as it did yesterday. If something changes - e.g. the bus route or schedule - you expect evidence to show the changes; you expect new route maps and published schedules.
You wouldn't expect the bus company to publish a new schedule every day saying, "Same as yesterday".
So why aren't you honest about science? Why do you demand that science document sameness when everywhere else we document only changes.
So why don't you be honest and document the changes that you claim?

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Message 855 of 1498 (841356)
10-11-2018 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 853 by Faith
10-11-2018 2:28 PM


Re: And now some correlations
Faith writes:
... just because I can't explain a given phenomenon says nothing about what really happened.
The fact that NO creationist has been able to explain those phenomena says something about the viability of the YEC scenario. The fact that creationists make little or no effort to test their preconceived notions is also telling.

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ringo
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Message 898 of 1498 (841904)
10-23-2018 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 897 by creation
10-23-2018 11:08 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:
I did give links to show the prophetic/Gen/Revelation years as being 360 days.
That was in the "Creation" thread. Your verses showed that a 360-day calendar may have been used. That has nothing to do with the actual length of a year.

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ringo
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Message 915 of 1498 (842090)
10-26-2018 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 910 by creation
10-26-2018 10:30 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
Noah sent out a bird looking for trees after the flood. A week later...no trees. Again, another bird was sent...voila..fresh leaf from a tree. That is fast growing!
In the garden of Eden, God planted stuff. The same week man ate fruit from trees. That is fast.
I like the one where Rumpelstiltskin spun straw into gold.

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ringo
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Message 939 of 1498 (842315)
10-29-2018 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 937 by creation
10-29-2018 10:27 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
What the bible says about Noah, is a record of His life. It goes to evidence of what things were like in those days.
And it doesn't say anything about nature changing.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 945 of 1498 (842367)
10-30-2018 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 943 by creation
10-30-2018 12:42 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
Since what is described is impossible in this nature and a big change occurred, you are wrong.
The Flood was an impossible event, not a "change in nature".
creation writes:
We have many details from before and after and they contrast starkly.
Name "changes in nature" that happened in the Bible before the flood and after. Then give evidence that they happened in reality.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 951 of 1498 (842448)
10-31-2018 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 950 by creation
10-31-2018 1:45 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
The changes came in the days of Peleg, well after the flood.
You're wrong about that too. No surprises there. You seem to be as ignorant of the Bible as you are about everything else.

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ringo
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Message 959 of 1498 (842518)
11-02-2018 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 953 by creation
11-01-2018 2:42 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
If you look at the life span changes, it is in the days of Peleg that we see the graph change.
Even if those lifespans were true, what has that got to do with changes in nature?
creation writes:
If we look at Noah after the flood, trees still grew fast.
Trees never "grew fast".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 986 of 1498 (842651)
11-04-2018 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 960 by creation
11-02-2018 2:09 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
In this nature we do not live 1000 years.
There's no evidence that anybody ever did.
creation writes:
You may not declare trees never used to grow fast....
There is no evidence that they ever did.

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