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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Justice Kavanaugh would not be convicted and removed from the bench, but just the impeachment itself would mean that he would be under great pressure to recuse himself from numerous cases involving women, including anything to do with Roe v. Wade. You think so? 'Cause maybe you're right, but, me, I've been thinking for a while, "Man, if he's confirmed, he's gonna be giving some pay-back."We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. -- John McCain
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Chiroptera writes: I've been thinking for a while, "Man, if he's confirmed, he's gonna be giving some pay-back." Yeah, just a peach of a guy. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
From Democrats planning to examine Trump’s tax returns after the midterms:
quote: --Percy
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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From the New York Times:
At Times, Kavanaugh’s Defense Misleads or Veers Off Point Just what it says on the tin. This article takes some of the statements and claims that Kavanaugh made in his defense and shows how these particular ones were either untrue or have very different implications when examined in context. My take-a-way: The allegations being made against Kavanaugh are much more credible; he is more a partisan conservative than an impartial arbiter of the law; and he really is a stereotypical "politician', ready to bend or stretch the truth if he believes it will advance his cause.We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. -- John McCain
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Chiroptera writes: My take-a-way: The allegations being made against Kavanaugh are much more credible; he is more a partisan conservative than an impartial arbiter of the law; and he really is a stereotypical "politician', ready to bend or stretch the truth if he believes it will advance his cause. Yes, yes, yes. There is no honor among thieves or politicians. They all become so focused on molding their message to what will get them enough votes that they become unable to distinguish truth from fiction or lies. But it is inevitable that this be so. Those that don't focus on molding their message to get votes don't get elected. Even the politicians who seem most likely to take stances on the merits and what's right rather than being blind vote junkies, like Jeff Flake, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and Bob Corker, vote with Trump over 90% of the time. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Not that it will surprise anyone, but Trump has lied again. He claimed that the FBI probe of Kavanaugh's statements to the judiciary committee would be unfettered when in reality the White House is specifying that it be narrowly focused. Only a handful of people will be interviewed, and while no list has been made public it seems unlikely that it will include Julie Swetnick. Kavanaugh's drinking history will not be investigated.
On the weekly Sunday morning programs Trump puppets Kellyanne Conway and Sarah Sanders denied reports that the investigation would be limited in scope, but Trump lap dog Senator Lindsey Graham said that Senator Jeff Flake, Senator Susan Collins and Senator Lisa Murkowski "wanted a limited review," despite no evidence or news reports of any of them saying any such thing. Obviously the primary Republican interest is in getting their man on the Supreme Court and not on coming as close to the truth as possible. Source: FBI's Kavanaugh investigation narrow in scope --Percy
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Obviously the primary Republican interest is in getting their man on the Supreme Court and not on coming as close to the truth as possible. Yes, but I have to wonder why they're rushing on the creep Kavanaugh. Trump is going to be President until January 2019 at least, and most people think Republican control of the Senate isn't in danger over the midterm elections. It seems that they have all the time in the world to withdraw Kavanaugh's nomination and try again with another political hack, but with better vetting to avoid the baggage. I'm guessing that there's a lot of outrage among the conservatives that people would dare push back against them on anything, and this push to get Kavanaugh confirmed has a lot to do with an open display of their power: "we can do what we want, so fuck you all."We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. -- John McCain
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy writes: And it looks as if they have the power to do it! Scary....who on earth would want this man as a Supreme Court Justice? I fear for our future... Obviously the primary Republican interest is in getting their man on the Supreme Court and not on coming as close to the truth as possible.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
True Believers, people who believe in their dogma whether it works or not - i.e. people who put faith before reality. ....who on earth would want this man as a Supreme Court Justice?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1509 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Scary....who on earth would want this man as a Supreme Court Justice? I fear for our future... What decision do you fear he would make that would threaten our future? What decision has he made during any of his past positions that you don't agree with?
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Kavanaugh's past decisions and his statements and responses to questions before the Judiciary Committee indicate that he has an unlimited view of presidential power (i.e., he isn't a big believer in checks and balances), that he may not view Roe v. Wade as settled law, that he may have lied about his drinking in high school and college, that he may have sexually abused women, and that he lacks judicial temperament.
--Percy
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1509 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4
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Kavanaugh's past decisions and his statements and responses to questions before the Judiciary Committee indicate that he has an unlimited view of presidential power (i.e., he isn't a big believer in checks and balances) "Unlimited view of presidential power" is too harsh of a description - many of his past writings and experiences happened while Clinton and Obama were in office. What he favors are limits to distractions which would keep a president from effectively doing his job.
quote: https://www.seattletimes.com/...l-powers-could-be-flashpoint Seems to me Democrats would agree with that, many Republicans do - I do. Also from that article;
quote: And;
quote: His opinions on presidential power are largely non-partisan, but today's news media is largely succeeding in covering that up. They're trying to make him all about protecting Trump in the immediate future, and that's far from the truth.
that he may not view Roe v. Wade as settled law, Yes, that's a never ending political division.
that he may have lied about his drinking in high school and college, that he may have sexually abused women, A lot of independent swing voters in the country must be asking themselves; "The party of Bill Clinton in the 90's, the party of Moveon.org etc, is concerned about 36 year old school parties from school children? This is going to affect his rulings? I actually kind of hope he's voted down. I think the Democrats are going to get a trouncing in the upcoming elections anyway, but his being viciously destroyed like this could make it even worse for them.
and that he lacks judicial temperament. That's a recent invention from the left, as if judicial decisions are going to invoke the same emotion from him as the grilling and personal attacks he's been fielding lately. As you might remember from back in 1991, Clarence Thomas got pretty emotional at the racism displayed against him by Democrats at that time, and hasn't shown similar emotion since in his duties on the Supreme court. But you've answered my question, there don't seem to be any detailed specifics, just generalizations - from a political party that makes no secret that it will obstruct anyone Trump nominates, anyone. Forget the good of the country, forget the taxpayers who have to foot the bill for this charade, it's ONLY about obstruction. We'll see how these elections go, I'm 64, and I'm beginning to think that I won't have to worry about Democrat control of either the house or senate for the rest of my life. It's a good feeling.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
As presented in an Opposition to Trump’s Motion to Dismiss.
NY AG Pretty damning - certainly enough to survive dismissal.
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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marc9000 writes: quote: https://www.seattletimes.com/...l-powers-could-be-flashpoint Seems to me Democrats would agree with that, many Republicans do - I do. I'm an independent, and I believe no one should be above the law.
His opinions on presidential power are largely non-partisan,... Kavanaugh revealed himself to be completely partisan during his tirade against Democrats on September 27. Some excerpts (full text here):
quote: Moving on:
and that he lacks judicial temperament. That's a recent invention from the left,... Actually that's what Judge Kavanaugh displayed in that self same tirade from September 27.
But you've answered my question, there don't seem to be any detailed specifics, just generalizations - from a political party that makes no secret that it will obstruct anyone Trump nominates, anyone. Forget the good of the country, forget the taxpayers who have to foot the bill for this charade, it's ONLY about obstruction. We'll see how these elections go, I'm 64, and I'm beginning to think that I won't have to worry about Democrat control of either the house or senate for the rest of my life. It's a good feeling. You sound very partisan. I don't want us to elect those who care only for what is best for their party. I think we should elect those who care most about the best interests of the country, independent of party affiliation. I don't think we have many of that kind of person serving in state and federal office today. AbE: In case there's any doubt that Kavanaugh's tirade raised serious questions about his objectivity and judicial temperament, based on that testimony the American Bar Association has decided to reopen its evaluation of Kavanaugh. --Percy Edited by Percy, : AbE.
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