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ringo
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Message 374 of 1184 (840620)
10-02-2018 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 372 by Faith
10-02-2018 4:31 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Faith writes:
It's unbelievers who are the arrogant ones who think they can better understand God's word against the entire history of the Church.
The truth is the truth, no matter how much you deny it, twist it or lie about it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 398 of 1184 (840694)
10-03-2018 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 388 by ICANT
10-02-2018 8:23 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
Where did He say that?
quote:
Luke 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 399 of 1184 (840695)
10-03-2018 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 386 by ICANT
10-02-2018 7:58 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
You slap me on one cheek I will turn the other.
I don't think that's what Jesus intended. There's always an "other" cheek.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 420 of 1184 (840994)
10-06-2018 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 413 by ICANT
10-05-2018 6:37 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
No place in that verse do I see swords were needed to fulfil prophesy.
Could you point out where that prophesy is.
It's Prophecy 101.
quote:
Luke 22:36-37 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Buying swords was for the purpose of fulfilling the prophecy that the Messiah would be "reckoned among the transgressors":
quote:
Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Isaiah also has the standard Messianic prophecies that are often attributed to Jesus:
verse 3: He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief
verse 5: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities
etc.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 435 of 1184 (841136)
10-08-2018 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 433 by Phat
10-08-2018 6:46 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Phat writes:
Granted this belief leaves a lot of wiggle room and self-justification for any believer to use...
Indeed it does. It gives you an excuse for throwing out the bits that you don't like. "Jesus would have agreed with me," is an egregious copout.
Phat writes:
What is relevant is what current laws dictate.
Another copout. Who makes the laws?
I need an adjective like extra-egregious for, "It's legal so I'm gonna do it."
"Slavery is legal, so I'm gonna own slaves."
"Turning Jews over to the Gestapo is legal so I'm gonna turn Jews over to the Gestapo."

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 454 of 1184 (841967)
10-24-2018 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 453 by ICANT
10-24-2018 1:43 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
So I am to love God above all else, and I am supposed to love you just as much as I love myself.
So, "loving your neighbour as yourself," means being prepared to shoot him if he steps out of line?
Edited by ringo, : fixed quote

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 456 of 1184 (841969)
10-24-2018 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 455 by Phat
10-24-2018 1:55 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Phat writes:
Sometimes I think that you purposefully get our names wrong. Time to confess.
You give me too much credit.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 458 of 1184 (841977)
10-24-2018 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 457 by ICANT
10-24-2018 3:26 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
There is nothing about those two commandments that tells me I have to let my neighbor kill or harm me or my wife.
Loving your neighbour as yourself is pretty clear: don't treat your neighbour better than yourself. So yes, harming your neighbour is exactly what the commandment is about.
ICANT writes:
My mind is conditioned that when I would see a weapon of any kind that is being positioned to bring harm to me or anyone around me reflexes would take over without even thinking as my actions would be automatic.
Again, that's the exact opposite of what the commandment says: Don't go with your instincts; do what's right.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 474 of 1184 (842008)
10-25-2018 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 462 by ICANT
10-24-2018 9:09 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
So me not blowing his/her brains out and allowing him to kill me or worse wound me incapacitating me for the rest of my life, would be the right thing to do in your sight.
Not my sight. It's what Jesus said:
quote:
Matthew 5:38-39 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
"Resist not evil," would seem to apply directly to blowing people's brains out, even if they are evil.
ICANT writes:
So I am trained to react to events without thinking that is not instinct as it would be much slower.
Reacting without thinking is even worse than reacting on instinct. Nobody who reacts without thinking should be allowed near a gun.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 481 of 1184 (842021)
10-25-2018 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 477 by ICANT
10-25-2018 2:22 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
Where did Jesus say that?
I cited Matthew 5:38-39. Didn't you read my post?
ICANT writes:
The Bible says: "a time to kill". Ecc. 3:3
The only time I can see that is when someone is trying to kill you.
Ecclesiastes 3:8 says, "a time of war." That would be when there would be a time to kill.
It's certainly not an excuse for you to directly contradict Jesus.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 486 of 1184 (842029)
10-25-2018 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by Hyroglyphx
10-25-2018 4:31 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hyroglyphx writes:
I'm against assault rifles, whether or not they're automatic.
Why, though?
See, this is where I disagree with most gun control advocates. I don't think any civilian should have a handgun - or most cops either. But if you're going to interpret the "militia" in the 2nd Ammendment as meaning everybody, then it must mean military weapons for everybody. I'd like to see the NRA advocating for grenade-launchers, RPGs, and all types of infantry weapons. Then maybe people would see how stupid that argument is.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 506 of 1184 (842082)
10-26-2018 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 491 by ICANT
10-25-2018 7:19 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
That don't say anything about a fellow fixing to kill me with a weapon.
Yes it does. It says, "resist not evil." A fellow fixing to kill you with a weapon constitutes evil, doesn't it? Jesus told you not to resist.
ICANT writes:
It is talking about a man slapping you on one cheek....
No. It isn't that specific. It talks about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, not just a cheek. And the passage to which Jesus is referring is even broader:
quote:
Exodus 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
It is definitely NOT just about a slap on the cheek.
ICANT writes:
But if you turned the other cheek and he slapped it then there are no instructions after that.
There's always an "other" cheek.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 507 of 1184 (842084)
10-26-2018 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 493 by ICANT
10-25-2018 7:36 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
I'd like to see the NRA advocating for grenade-launchers, RPGs, and all types of infantry weapons. Then maybe people would see how stupid that argument is.
But those are already against the law.
I'm saying they shouldn't be, not by the same logic used in the gun-totin' interpretation of the amendment. If every citizen has the right to bear arms for the purpose of a well-regulated militia, then any infantry weapons should be allowable.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 527 of 1184 (842249)
10-28-2018 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by ICANT
10-28-2018 2:54 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
So the gun is not what is dangerous. The person holding the gun is the problem.
The same applies to nuclear weapons - which is why we try to restrict nuclear weapons.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 548 of 1184 (842523)
11-02-2018 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 546 by ICANT
11-02-2018 1:09 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
I don't even own an AR15 I classify them as toys.
So your claim about guns being "tools" was false.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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