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Message 414 of 1184 (840948)
10-05-2018 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Percy
10-03-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Obviously the onset of mental illness, despondency, violent anger, decrepitness, drunkenness, carelessness, poor judgment, etc., could occur at any time/place and then extend on into the future.
Well I don't have a mental illness problem.
Nor a despondency problem.
I do not have a problem with violent anger.
I don't have a decrepitess problem other than I am old. Decrepit no I am not infirm.
I don't have a drinking problem other than water and tea.
Training takes care of carelessness and poor judgment.
So there is none of those that will attack me on a moments notice. They could come on over time in which I would be advised of.
Percy writes:
Yes, you are susceptible to all the frailties man is heir to.
I would have to know what you are calling frailties to comment.
Percy writes:
Some can happen in less than a day's time (carelessness, poor judgment, drunkenness), others can occur gradually.
Carelessness and poor judgment happed to those who are unprepared.
Drunkenness can only happen if you bend your elbow and take a drink.
Percy writes:
I think we can assume that your wife is, like yourself and all other people, imperfect.
No my wife is perfect. And she is just as well trained as I am.
Percy writes:
And aren't your weapons locked up in separate boxes?
No my weapons are loaded and in easy reach at any time in the house. If you approach my house from the front or rear I will know you are there before you can reach the door. I will be alerted to your presence and you will be recorded. If I don't know you I will talk to you through a intercom.
But there is only my wife and myself that reside in my house. We do put the guns up when the great grandkids are going to be around
because they have not been raised with guns and taught to respect them.
Percy writes:
But say gun laws change and your guns are taken away. You're saying you'd be willing to replace them on the black market. Scary.
Who is going to take my guns away from me?
If someone was able to get my guns without killing me
I would probably build my own.
Percy writes:
So driven by delusions of shootouts with criminals where you save the day, you're going to make things even worse by obtaining guns by any means necessary, thereby increasing the danger to yourself and those around you.
I don't need any guns I have enough thank you.
Percy writes:
By "those people" I meant all who have such extravagantly elevated opinions of their gun skills that they're willing to place themselves and those around them in greater danger.
Why does the president have men and women around that are well train and armed everywhere he goes?
Do you think he and those around him are in more
danger because they are there?
I have had the same intense training that they have had.
Percy writes:
The vast majority of gun deaths are due to handguns, and that is the primary motivation for banning guns. Semi-automatic weapons involved in mass murders get the bulk of the news space, but they are not responsible for most of the gun deaths.
So the feared assault weapon is not the most dangerous. I agree and the most dangerous is the Saturday night special.
Percy writes:
Are you daft? Of what possible use is a sample size of one? You speculated on what I thought you ought to do, and you were wrong. What I actually think you ought to do is think rationally while considering the facts. That doesn't mean facts about a single individual, namely yourself, but about the statistical information gathered across populations by certain groups, such as the FBI's Crime in the United States.
I get the impression there is at least 21million of us. The only reason you know about me is that I argue with you.
Do you think I talk about these things anywhere else? I don't.
Percy writes:
Ah, I see, you're expressing your love of country when you endanger your fellow citizens by strapping your piece to your hip and strolling about town. I am still struck by the degree to which the religious are attracted to guns and the military.
I don't strap my piece on my hip and go strolling about I conceal carry. Anywhere you see me you would never know I was carrying except in the woods or fields hunting. I always strap on a revolver to use on snakes and I have my shotgun on my shoulder, or at the ready if bird hunting.
Percy I appreciate what this country has provided so that I was able to have the life I have had. Especially giving me the opportunity to have the opportunity to hear the gospel and be able to receive eternal life, not eternal death. Those opportunities came about because of the Constitution that everyone who worked on it but 4 were God fearing men who had pledged their life and fortune so I could have the opportunities I have had. So yes I believe in God and I believe in a strong military to protect us from outside interference.
I can't speak for anyone else, they will have to speak for themselves.
God Bless

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 415 of 1184 (840950)
10-05-2018 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 401 by Aussie
10-03-2018 12:51 PM


Re: Problem
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes:
If you speak with such violence now, just imagine all the physical trauma you will be able to inflict when you finally have your powerful glorified body!
You forgot I will not only have a glorified body, I will have a perfect mind also.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 416 of 1184 (840955)
10-05-2018 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 402 by Aussie
10-03-2018 12:56 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes:
You would have done the same as the rebuked by Jesus Peter, except you would have intentionally inflicted far greater physical trauma. Well done.
And I would have got rebuked just like Peter did. But just think what everybody would have thought when Jesus reached down and picked up the head and set it in place and patted him on the head and said lets go.
The ear did not even register with them.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 422 of 1184 (841008)
10-06-2018 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Percy
10-06-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
But you've diverged completely from your original point, which is that the 21 million men in the military agree with you. They don't. Notably they probably think your failure to lock up your weapons is particularly boneheaded.
There is only 2 million in the military.
The 21 million men I am talking about served in the military in the past, and if you think I talk wild you should hear some of their conversations. You would think I was a saint.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 423 of 1184 (841014)
10-07-2018 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 417 by Tangle
10-06-2018 2:36 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
He told Peter to put his sword away,
He did not tell Peter to throw his sword away.
He actually told Peter to put his sword in its sheath.
Like me putting my gun back in its holster.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 424 of 1184 (841015)
10-07-2018 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 421 by Capt Stormfield
10-06-2018 12:51 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Capt,
Capt writes:
or hey, go nuts and make a double barrel
Why not make 10 and band them together. Then make another 80 or a hundred. That way you could fire a 110 times before you had to reload. But if you had someone reloading them for you it would mean you could shoot a lot more times.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 428 of 1184 (841088)
10-08-2018 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 426 by Percy
10-07-2018 9:18 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
So what it's come down to is that you have a few ex-military friends who talk foolishness with you about the old days. Seriously, do you actually believe that there are many gun-trained people, military or not, who endorse your decision to not lock up your guns?
I am tame compared to most to my friends.
But I don't care what their opinion or yours of me locking my guns up are.
I can just see a couple of thugs coming up to my front door with their ak47's and my guns locked in a safe.
What am I supposed to do? Do I say you fellows will have to wait a little bit while I open my safe and get my guns before you kick my door in?
No I will keep my guns within reach.
Percy writes:
And this idea that other people would know if you were mentally ill is absurd. In the vast majority of cases people had no inkling of what shooters were about to do, so this idea that what's inside a person's head is outwardly apparent is a big time myth.
There is nothing wrong with most of those people they just decide to kill a bunch of people because they want too.
Percy writes:
Do you really believe your judgment, coordination and reaction time are as good as when you were 30?
I don't know. I do know I can produce my weapon and hit the target as fast as I ever could. And no I don't miss the target.
Percy writes:
Why did you say something as crazy as, "My wife is perfect"?
Because she is.
Percy writes:
Why do you believe that you and your wife are superman and superwoman when it comes to gun safety?
Training.
Percy writes:
Why to you believe your kids, grandkids or great grandkids could never find your guns? Wouldn't it be more wise, and more indicative of good judgment about gun safety, if you had a lockbox for them?
Well I buried both my sons and besides that the room I put them in while they are at my house they can't get in. It takes my thumb print or my wife's to open the door.
Percy writes:
Would you truly be willing to break the law if gun ownership were illegal?
As far as I am concerned it will never be against the law until 38 states ratify an amendment to the constitution. And I don't see that happening in my life time because it only takes 13 states to block an amendment to the constitution being ratified.
Percy writes:
And about making that shotgun, here's a hilarious video of a guy making and testing a shotgun:
That is not just hilarious you could get hurt with that thing.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 429 of 1184 (841090)
10-08-2018 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 427 by Capt Stormfield
10-07-2018 1:33 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Capt.
Capt writes:
Interesting how you willfully miss the point. Nice window into a Christian mind.
My point was it does not matter the bad guys can get guns that will fire as many times as an ar15 whether guns are legal or not.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 430 of 1184 (841094)
10-08-2018 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 425 by Tangle
10-07-2018 3:57 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
You're still dodging.
He did not tell Peter to leave his sword locked up at the house did He?
So why would He have a problem with my weapon?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 431 of 1184 (841099)
10-08-2018 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 419 by Percy
10-06-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
I missed this.
Percy writes:
Which no doubt you do.
I do not drink other than water or tea, I thought I made that perfectly clear.
I am an alcoholic and I have not had a drink since 1960.
So drinking is a serious thing with me.
Alcohol kills 88,000 people each year. that is 2.27 times the total deaths from guns.
But I don't see any big push to ban alcohol. Oh wait they tried that one time. I think banning guns would be a lot harder. Just my opinion.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 434 of 1184 (841134)
10-08-2018 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 432 by Tangle
10-08-2018 3:15 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
As this is the fourth evasion of my question, I'm taking it as an acceptance that you know that Jesus would not approve of you routinely carrying hand guns around in public just because it is legal to do so.
Are you speaking for Jesus now?
If Jesus did not tell Peter to leave his weapon at home why would He require me to leave my weapon at home?
According to the Constitution of the United States of America I have the right to own, and bear arms. I obey the Constitution which is the law. I have took 2 oaths to uphold and preserve the Constitution of the United States of America. I have and always will fulfill that obligation.
Since I obey the Constitution I don't think Jesus would have any problem with me carrying my weapon.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 441 of 1184 (841225)
10-09-2018 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Aussie
10-09-2018 12:40 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes:
Your solution to the grisly violence that you would deliberately inflict on a fellow human, in deliberate disobedience to Jesus' wishes, is a magical cure? Really?
It would have been a much more dramatic scene than cutting off an ear.
You forget Peter was protecting Jesus and I would have been doing the same even though He would not have needed any help.
But that does not have anything to do with me being able to own and bear arms which the Constitution gives me the right to do.
Aussie writes:
Gun violence is a serious issue in the US.
In 2016 we had:
40,000 motor vehicle-related deaths
39,000 people firearm-related deaths of which 22,018 were suicide.
64,000 people drug overdose-related deaths
62,000 men and 26,000 women died from alcohol related causes.
2,226 died from malnutrition.
44,193 suicide's 22,018 guns, 11855 suffocation, 6816 poison.
So the 22,018 firearm suicide's would have been a different form but would have taken place guns or no guns.
The 64,000 deaths from drug overdose is a much worse epidemic than gun deaths.
The 88,000 deaths due to alcohol related causes is a much worse epidemic than gun deaths.
The 18,671 suicide's by means other than guns tell you guns are not required.
But the biggest problem I see with those stats are the 2,226 that die from malnutrition. That is a disgrace in a country that throws away more food than many countries have for their total population. And is totally preventable without infringing on anyone's Constitutional rights. But then alcohol is not a constitutional right as well as drugs.
So why don't we hear a lot more about all these other problems. No we just got to take away everybody's guns and then there will be no gun deaths. That is a pipe dream. Gun deaths would probably triple if guns were outlawed.
OK get off the soap box ICANT.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 445 of 1184 (841483)
10-13-2018 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 444 by Porkncheese
10-12-2018 10:46 PM


Re: Crazy gun laws
Hi Porkncheese,
My first post to you so welcome to EvC.
Porkncheese writes:
U can't get 38 out of 50 states to vote on it. That's sad man
That is just the way the founders of our country setup our government. We are a Republic not a democracy as many claim.
Each state has 2 senators regardless of the population of the state which makes each state have equal say in the government.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 446 of 1184 (841488)
10-13-2018 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Percy
10-09-2018 6:24 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Really? Given that the suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6, how do you conclude that?
People in the US are a lot different than the folks from the UK. I lived among those folks for 15 years where I could not have my guns. And I did not worry about somebody kicking my door in during the night.
People in the US are morally depraved, spoiled rotten and capable of doing anything. Also willing to do anything without even thinking about it. Everybody makes their own rules.
Percy writes:
So you're in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?
I believe in workfare for those who are able to work. I also believe we should take care of those who can not help themselves.
Maybe that is because I have worked since I was 7 years old. I did not have an allowance like kids do today. If I wanted something I had to get it by working for whatever I could get to barter with. I have never been without a job since I was 14 unless I chose to be.
Percy writes:
Then why are gun death rates the lowest in states with the lowest gun ownership rates?
There are probably a lot more crooks and gangs in those areas.
Why does Chicago have the gun violence they have as they have some of the strictest gun laws anywhere?
Australia is 55 times the size of Florida and has a population of 4 million more that Florida. I would think the density of the population would have a lot to do with the death rates as it does in our large cities.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 448 of 1184 (841821)
10-22-2018 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 447 by Percy
10-14-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
People in the US and the UK are pretty much the same. The only society more similar to us than the UK is Canada.
I think The Taliban and Isis is much more similar to us than the residents of the UK minus their radicals are.
Percy writes:
I've lived in the United States all my life, have never worried about somebody kicking my door in during the night, and nobody ever has.
Neither has anyone ever kicked my door in either. But if they had they would have wished they hadn't.
There are 3.7 million homes broken into each year. That comes to 7 homes every minute.
1 million of those were with people in the home.
41% of those involved guns by the thief.
Criminals don't get anything 55% of the time when someone is home.
Each year a shocking 2.5 million victims use a gun to scare their offender however they shoot the offender only 8% of the time. The rest of the time it is used to scare the offender away.
You see we have been a couple of the lucky ones.
Percy writes:
So why don't you try again. The suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6. What explains this if not widespread gun availability in the US?
You make that statement as if all the deaths were by guns which is misleading.
Firearms in US are responsible for 50.9% of the suicides. = 6.9733 per 100,000
The UK number seems to be a little wrong as there was 5,821 which comes out to 8.817 per 100,000 with Hanging & suffocation responsible for 51.7% of the suicides.
People who want to commit suicide will find a way guns or no guns.
Percy writes:
So how are you going to prevent those 2,226 deaths from malnutrition? You don't really believe your workfare answer, do you, that sending people dying from malnutrition to work is going to solve the problem, so are you in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?
If those who were able to work was doing so that would relieve a lot of money that could be used to see that the 2,226 had food to eat.
You do know there is over 7 million unfilled jobs in the US today.
Percy writes:
What are you going to do besides tell them, "Be more like me."
Distribute food every week.
Percy writes:
Bzzzt - wrong again. Check out this graph showing the correlation between gun death rates and gun ownership rates:
Nobody knows who has guns and who does not have guns. So any conclusion made is just guessing.
Percy writes:
There are two problems with this claim. First, it is false. Chicago used to have very strict gun laws, but conservative politicians have chipped away at these laws. You don't even need to get a permit anymore. Second, Chicago is surrounded by jurisdictions with lax gun control laws. A ten minute drive takes you outside the city limits where you can buy all the guns you like.
How can you blame conservatives when Chicago has been run the past 84 years by the democrats?
How would you propose to eliminate the availability of guns in the US? Especially when you can go to the hardware store and purchase material to build a weapon for less than $20. You can also make your own gun powder in less than 30 minutes. Primer takes longer.
There are people that has enough material to manufacture million of rounds of ammunition that would have to be eliminated if it could be found.
As long as there is money to be made from buyers there will be guns for sale.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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