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Chiroptera
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Message 2365 of 4573 (837591)
08-06-2018 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 2361 by caffeine
08-06-2018 11:58 AM


Driver's licenses
As Percy mentioned, some states do indicate citizenship on their driver's licenses. My non-driver's license state ID card does not. So in some (most?) states, a driver's license is not proof of citizenship, but in others it is.
Some states allow undocumented aliens to obtain driver's licenses, figuring an illegal alien who needs the job is going to be driving anyway, so it's better to certify that they know the traffic laws and can operate a vehicle.
However, my understanding that the new REAL compliant IDs are proof of legal residency; if a state issues licenses to undocumented aliens, they'll have to make those licenses distinguishable from the REAL compliant IDs.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Awkward sentence.


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Chiroptera
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Message 2368 of 4573 (837614)
08-06-2018 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2366 by NoNukes
08-06-2018 4:43 PM


Re: say what?
Homeland Security website[/url]
The REAL ID act requires the following:
(B) EVIDENCE OF LAWFUL STATUS- A State shall require, before
issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, valid
documentary evidence that the person--
(i) is a citizen or national of the United States;
(ii) is an alien lawfully admitted for permanent or
temporary residence in the United States;
(iii) has conditional permanent resident status in the
United States;
(iv) has an approved application for asylum in the United
States or has entered into the United States in refugee
status;
(v) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or
nonimmigrant visa status for entry into the United States;
(vi) has a pending application for asylum in the United
States;
(vii) has a pending or approved application for temporary
protected status in the United States;
(viii) has approved deferred action status; or
(ix) has a pending application
for adjustment of status to
that of an alien lawfully ad
mitted for permanent residence
in the United States or conditional permanent resident
status in the United States.
So a first time applicant for any kind of ID will need to provide a birth certificate, a certificate of naturalization, a green card, or some sort of documentation relating to the other categories on this list.
Once someone has a REAL compliant ID, I would imagine that that will be sufficient for any other REAL compliant ID (except for whatever other documentation, such as proof of address, a state may require for its own purposes).


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Chiroptera
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Message 2371 of 4573 (837647)
08-07-2018 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 2370 by Percy
08-07-2018 9:04 AM


Re: Is another massacre looming?
I'm not sure Sessions is safe. I may be wrong, but I don't think his recusal is legally binding. He decided to recuse himself, he can decide to unrecuse himself.
At any rate, reports are Trump is really, really angry at Sessions. Regardless whether Sessions can end his recusal, I can see Trump ordering Sessions to fire Mueller, and then firing Sessions if he refuses.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo


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Message 2392 of 4573 (838034)
08-12-2018 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2389 by Phat
08-12-2018 4:41 PM


Re: Who Pays For The Extra Police Protection
Why should the public pay for such controversial clashes between opposing ideologies?
It's part of the First Amendment. Both sides have a right to assemble and the right to express their views.
Nor can the government forbid either gathering because of a threat of violence; if they could, then no one would have the right to assembly since all that would be needed to cancel a protest or gathering would be for someone to threaten violence over it.
On the other hand, the government does have the obligation to protect its citizens; in particular, the obligation to protect its citizens when they are engaging their rights to free assembly and free speech.
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That being the case, what do you think the government should do in this case?

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Chiroptera
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Message 2396 of 4573 (838059)
08-13-2018 10:06 AM


More on the fascist rally in DC
From the New York Times:
Rally by White Nationalists Was Over Almost Before It Began
Only a small group of pro-fascists showed up at the White Supremacy rally in Washington yesterday. They were escorted by law enforcement officers to a heavily barricaded area while a much larger anti-nazi protest took place outside.
Not much to say, except that when the White Supremist agitator Kessler tried to explain why the turnout was so low for his event, he said:
There were a lot of people who were at last year’s rally who are very scared this year, he said. They felt like last year they came to express their point of view. They were attacked. And when they fought back, they were overly prosecuted.
Well, aside from this being highly inaccurate, I have to say that I have trouble feeling sympathy for people whose main tactics are fear and intimidation when they themselves are fearful and intimidated.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2401 of 4573 (838077)
08-13-2018 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2400 by Percy
08-13-2018 5:37 PM


Re: How are the tax cuts doing?
Paul Krugman, columnist for the New York Times and winner of the Nobel Memorial Prize for Economics, has been talking about this since the beginning of the year.
From Feb. 27:
The numbers we have so far show that the much-hyped bonuses are trivial — less than $6 billion, or 0.03% of GDP — while stock buybacks have been more than $170 billion. And many of those bonuses would probably have happened anyway, whereas stock buybacks are running far above historical levels.
From Jul 9:
Nothing like that is happening, and leading indicators of business investment, like orders of capital goods, show no sign of an investment boom ahead. Corporations have gotten a really big tax cut: The tax take on corporate profits has fallen off a cliff since the tax cut was enacted. But they’re using the extra money for stock buybacks and higher dividends, not investment.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2404 of 4573 (838152)
08-14-2018 3:32 PM


Republicans losing support from their own families
From the Guardian:
Republican politicians can no longer count on the support of their families
The headline may be overstating things; it only gives a couple of instances of candidates' families (the son of one, the parents of another) publicly donating money to the opponents' campaigns as well as one or two instances of family members openly disagreeing with policy decisions; nothing to indicate that it's a widespread problem for Republicans. But maybe good for an lol.
The last paragraph is interesting, though:
One way daughters of Republican members of Congress can influence their parents’ decisions, however, is simply by existing. In 2008, Ebonya L Washington, an economist at Yale University, cross-referenced the voting records of every member of the House and found that those with daughters, especially those with more than one daughter, were significantly more likely to cast liberal votes.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2408 of 4573 (838177)
08-15-2018 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2406 by Percy
08-14-2018 4:51 PM


Re: The Omarosa Thing
From yesterday's New York Times:
Trump Appears to Admit White House Aides Signed Nondisclosure Agreements
Up to now, White House officials have been coy about whether they were required to sign non-disclosure agreements. Well, now we know.
For months, officials in the West Wing have refused to confirm reports by The New York Times and other news outlets that aides were ordered to sign nondisclosure agreements, which legal experts say are essentially unenforceable for government employees.
As Percy mentioned, these non-disclosure agreements are probably unenforceable; the only thing that would be enforceable is if Ms. Omarosa discloses actual national security classified information.
That said, this is about the non-disclosure agreements; it is still likely that Omarosa violated the law when she recorded the conversation in a secured conference room.
But what caught my eye was this:
He’s created a White House in his own image, and that has led to many, many problems, Mr. Axelrod said.
Taping conversations is, in fact, a longtime tactic of Mr. Trump’s.
For decades, he used it both as an insurance policy and for private titillation as a real estate developer who liked to keep a record, should he ever need it, of phone conversations and meetings, according to former aides. Staff members warned one another to be careful if they used his phone system at his private club Mar-a-Lago, in Florida, and to be mindful of what they said across his desk at Trump Tower in Manhattan. During the presidential campaign, aides worried that their office on the fifth floor of Trump Tower was bugged.
So Trump has himself made and made use of secret recordings of conversations and phone calls.
Tommy Vietor, another former National Security Council official under Mr. Obama, said Mr. Trump was being outdone by the people that play that New York tabloid game that the president had thrived on for decades.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2428 of 4573 (838306)
08-18-2018 3:54 PM


Courts rule that Trump is not a dictator
It turns out that the US President is not a dictator, which is sure to disappoint conservatives everywhere.
From the Guardian:
Blow for EPA as court blocks bid to slacken safety rules for chemical plants
Nothing specific I want to quote here, just a list of a few of the attempts by Trump's EPA to allow the chemical industry to poison, sicken, or otherwise endanger the health and safety of Americans that have been blocked by the courts.
I'm sure that the EPA has the authority to do at least some of these things, but, wouldn't you know, there are actually rules and procedures that need to be followed. You iknow, that "rule of law" thingy that was so important to the Founders of this nations.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2432 of 4573 (838325)
08-19-2018 10:55 AM


The game of thrones continues
This morning's New York Times:
White House Counsel, Don McGahn, Has Cooperated Extensively in Mueller Inquiry
Don McGahn is the White House counsel. It turns out that he has been cooperating extensively with Mueller's investigation over the obstruction of justice charges.
The White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, has cooperated extensively in the special counsel investigation, sharing detailed accounts about the episodes at the heart of the inquiry into whether President Trump obstructed justice, including some that investigators would not have learned of otherwise, according to a dozen current and former White House officials and others briefed on the matter.
It turns out that McGahn is a pretty valuable witness.
To investigators, Mr. McGahn was a fruitful witness, people familiar with the investigation said. He had been directly involved in nearly every episode they are scrutinizing to determine whether the president obstructed justice. To make an obstruction case, prosecutors who lack a piece of slam-dunk evidence generally point to a range of actions that prove that the suspect tried to interfere with the inquiry.
Why would the White House counsel cooperate with the special investigator? Because Trump told him to!
Mr. McGahn’s cooperation began in part as a result of a decision by Mr. Trump’s first team of criminal lawyers to collaborate fully with Mr. Mueller. The president’s lawyers have explained that they believed their client had nothing to hide and that they could bring the investigation to an end quickly.
Uh huh.
But why would McGahn be so accommodating to Mueller's team? Ha ha ha! Because this is the Trump Administration! McGahn felt that he was being set up.
Mr. McGahn and his lawyer, William A. Burck, could not understand why Mr. Trump was so willing to allow Mr. McGahn to speak freely to the special counsel and feared Mr. Trump was setting up Mr. McGahn to take the blame for any possible illegal acts of obstruction, according to people close to him. So he and Mr. Burck devised their own strategy to do as much as possible to cooperate with Mr. Mueller to demonstrate that Mr. McGahn did nothing wrong.
So far it isn't yet perfectly clear whether Trump or his minions have broken any actual laws, but
Even if the president did nothing wrong, Mr. Burck told White House lawyers, the White House has to understand that a client like Mr. Trump probably made politically damaging statements to Mr. McGahn as he weighed whether to intervene in the Russia investigation.
Oh, and be careful in your judgement of McGahn. He was originally hired by Trump after all, so he's definitely not one of the "good guys".
Mr. McGahn has overseen two of Mr. Trump’s signature accomplishments stocking the federal courts and cutting government regulations and become a champion of conservatives in the process....
Mr. McGahn is still the White House counsel, shepherding the president’s second Supreme Court nominee, Brett M. Kavanaugh, through the confirmation process.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Added quote about the value of McGahn's cooperation

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Chiroptera
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Message 2434 of 4573 (838330)
08-19-2018 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2433 by Phat
08-19-2018 12:12 PM


Re: The game of thrones continues
When he goes into the "both parties are equally corrupt" or "both sides are equally bad" I kind of have trouble taking him seriously.
Entertaining in parts, though. Kind of reads like the poor man's Matt Taibbi.

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Message 2506 of 4573 (840398)
09-28-2018 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 2505 by Percy
09-28-2018 9:18 AM


Re: Republicans Stunning lack of Honesty, Integrity and Sensitivity`
Justice Kavanaugh would not be convicted and removed from the bench, but just the impeachment itself would mean that he would be under great pressure to recuse himself from numerous cases involving women, including anything to do with Roe v. Wade.
You think so? 'Cause maybe you're right, but, me, I've been thinking for a while, "Man, if he's confirmed, he's gonna be giving some pay-back."

We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. -- John McCain

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Chiroptera
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Message 2509 of 4573 (840419)
09-29-2018 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2507 by Percy
09-29-2018 10:21 AM


More Kavanaugh analysis
From the New York Times:
At Times, Kavanaugh’s Defense Misleads or Veers Off Point
Just what it says on the tin. This article takes some of the statements and claims that Kavanaugh made in his defense and shows how these particular ones were either untrue or have very different implications when examined in context.
My take-a-way:
The allegations being made against Kavanaugh are much more credible;
he is more a partisan conservative than an impartial arbiter of the law; and
he really is a stereotypical "politician', ready to bend or stretch the truth if he believes it will advance his cause.

We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. -- John McCain

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Chiroptera
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Message 2513 of 4573 (840492)
09-30-2018 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2512 by Percy
09-30-2018 6:46 PM


Re: Trump Lies Again
Obviously the primary Republican interest is in getting their man on the Supreme Court and not on coming as close to the truth as possible.
Yes, but I have to wonder why they're rushing on the creep Kavanaugh. Trump is going to be President until January 2019 at least, and most people think Republican control of the Senate isn't in danger over the midterm elections. It seems that they have all the time in the world to withdraw Kavanaugh's nomination and try again with another political hack, but with better vetting to avoid the baggage.
I'm guessing that there's a lot of outrage among the conservatives that people would dare push back against them on anything, and this push to get Kavanaugh confirmed has a lot to do with an open display of their power: "we can do what we want, so fuck you all."

We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. -- John McCain

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Message 2526 of 4573 (841178)
10-08-2018 9:42 PM


Katha Pollitt's thoughts on Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings
I meant to post this last week when this issue of The Nation came out.
A Woman Can Never Be Likable Enough
Quote:
Others have said this, but it’s worth repeating that if Dr. Ford had behaved like Judge Brett Kavanaugh, she would have been dismissed as a liar and a crazy lady.

We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. -- John McCain

  
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