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Percy
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Message 409 of 1677 (840921)
10-05-2018 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by Faith
10-04-2018 8:28 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
Faith writes:
ABE: When someone attacks me personally as viciously as PaulK so often does -- and you too at times for that matter -- and about something I supposedly said in the past without quoting it, of course I don't remember it. Whatever I said doesn't deserve that kind of attack. /abe
Noting your tendency to credit the absurd like Pizzagate while rejecting credible information is not attacking you. It might be belaboring the obvious, but it is not attacking you.
I hardly ever remember things I said in the past unless the subject was something I pursued over a long period of time.
We know.
Pizzagate came and went and I wrote whatever impressions I had of the evidence offered and that was that. I do remember being struck by the email wording as extremely odd for a discussion of pizza but I don't even remember what it actually said. Apparently I found the evidence and the arguments persuasive but not persuasive enough to come to a definite conclusion about it. It remains a matter of odd wording that suggests something being covered up, but nothing clear about what that might be.
So you think that John Podesta, even though he had no reason to believe his private emails would one day become public, embedded what he wanted to say in code? Why on earth would he do that?
You might want to read Dissecting the #PizzaGate Conspiracy Theories.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 430 of 1677 (840981)
10-06-2018 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 415 by Faith
10-05-2018 3:45 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
Faith writes:
All I recall is that the emails sound weird, nothing like the way any normal person would talk about pizza.
The question remains, since Podesta believed his emails private, why would he write in code.
Here's the emails you're probably referring to:
quote:
Did you leave a handkerchief
From:ses@sandlerfoundation.org
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: eryn.sepp@gmail.com
Date: 2014-09-02 17:54
Subject: Did you leave a handkerchief
Hi John,
The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you're busy, so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.
Susaner
From: Kathryn Tate [mailto:kathy@ktate.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 10:04 AM
To: Sandler, Susan
Cc: Sandler, Herbert
Subject: You left something at the Field house
Susan & Herb
I just came from checking the Field house and I have a square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black) that was left on the kitchen island.
Happy to send it via the mail if you let me know where I should send it.
I also meant to inquire yesterday about the pillows you purchased. I can send them as well, if you let me know where they are in the house.
Safe travels to all
Kate
On Sep 1, 2014, at 4:18 PM, "Sandler, Susan" > wrote:
Thanks, Kate. We all really enjoyed it and it was very informative for us, and were talking about how great we think you are.
________________________________
From: Kathryn Tate [kathy@ktate.com]
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 12:05 PM
To: Sandler, Herbert; Sandler, Susan
Subject: Links to Houses in Vineyard Haven & Chilmark
Susan & Herb
Here are links to the houses we drove by today located in Vineyard Haven.
1 House at the end of the road to Lake Tashmoo at Kuffie's Point
'+imgs[0]+'
2. House along side Owen Park( the last one we drove to) Patty has never had anyone complain about noise from the town wharf or parking area.
However, the VH Band does play on Sunday evenings inside the bandstand at the top of the street. It's on 3 floors.
'+imgs[0]+'
3. House across from the VH Yacht Club, which I feel the ceilings are too low for you and Steve, but Patty asked me to send along.
'+imgs[0]+'
Here are links to the 3 houses in Chilmark
1. The first one owned by the Danish gentleman, Christian
'+imgs[0]+'
2. Squibnocket Associates
'+imgs[0]+'
3. Jaffe House on Stonewall Beach and Pond.
'+imgs[0]+'
Thanks for all piling into the car. It definitely was more fun with everyone and think of all the gossip you would have missed if
we were in two cars.
Let us know if you have any other questions about any of the houses.
Safe travels to all
Kate
Kathryn Tate
Kendall & Kendall Real Estate
Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
508 - 693 - 2243
508-280-6243 mobile
So go ahead, do your coded conspiracy theory thing. If you look up the conspiracy theory on the web instead of creating your own, keep in mind that the phrase "cheese pizza" occurs nowhere in the entire Wikileaks Podesta collection.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 438 of 1677 (841002)
10-06-2018 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Faith
10-06-2018 1:52 PM


Re: Journalism and Moral Relativis
Faith writes:
None of that is the email I think I remember.
That's the email that gets cited in articles about Pizzagate. If you're thinking of some other email then here's a link to Wikileaks Podesta emails - go to town. Just type "pizza" into the box and click the Search button.
Here, I've done the search for you already, just click here. There are 149 such emails.
--Percy

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Message 449 of 1677 (841028)
10-07-2018 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 448 by Faith
10-07-2018 8:17 AM


Re: pizza
Faith writes:
As I said I'm not at all interested in pursuing the Pizzagate topic.
Of course you're not interested in discussing it. You're not interested in discussing anything where you're obviously dead wrong. I now regret deleting my sarcastic paragraph about how you would avoid the subject.
PaulK had been throwing it in my face as an example of how evil I am...
I don't think that's an interpretation any reasonable person would make. PaulK is highlighting your strong tendency to accept any story consistent with your cockamamie views, no matter how absurd.
...so I finally asked him to show me what I'd supposedly said about it. As a result I now remember at least that the way pizza was discussed in some email or other is simply very strange,...
If you're going to keep calling the ways pizza was discussed in email "very strange" then it is incumbent upon you to produce that email or shut up about it. I gave you a link to a list of all the Podesta emails that mention pizza, and here it is again: list of Podesta emails that mention pizza. Here are the sentences that mention pizza from the first ten emails. Obviously Podesta is talking about food for meetings and fundraisers:
  1. Possible menu _ Indian: suggestions welcome.
    1. Mixed grill of Tandoori chicken, lamb, and Lahori fish: Pizza oven.
    Garnished with ribbon onions in lemon mint chutney.
    2. Garlic Naan ( freshly baked, pizza oven @ 550 degrees)
  2. $27.84 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 9/16 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04)
    $29.00 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 9/18 in opposition to Marilyn
  3. Wanted to flag a dinner I'm doing at my house tomorrow for Hillary.
    Doing a fundraiser at my house with my brother John on October 6 at my house, John and I are cooking along with guest chefs James Alefantis of Comet Ping Pong Pizza and Buck's Camping and Fishing, Amy Brandwein of Centrolina and Massimo Fabbri of Ristorante Posto.
  4. A $30 donation will help buy pizza for the volunteers at tonight's phone bank.
  5. $44.90 for pizza for canvassers (Mario's Restaurant) on 10/07 in support of Martin HEINRICH (NM-01)
    $44.90 for pizza for canvassers (Mario's Restaurant) on 10/07 in support of Obama
    $10.50 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 10/04 in support of MARK E UDALL (CO Senate)
    $10.50 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 10/04 in support of Obama
  6. I'm going to pass. I have too much to do before heading to Michigan tomorrow. No need for pizza.
    ...
    Or I could bring a pizza home
  7. The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus?
  8. do you want to use the outdoor pizza oven at all?
  9. - $15.72 for pizza for canvassers (Mario's Restaurant) on 8/13 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM-Senate)
    ...
    - $21.51 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 8/13 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04)
    - $36.38 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 8/14 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04)
  10. Shes doing no Virginia event at 500pm
    Do you wanna do pizza or try to sell to terry event
    ...
    Subject: Re: Hillary pizza party April 10
    I wish she could! Unfortunately she is only able to do that one on the 10th.
    ...
    Subject: Re: Hillary pizza party April 10
    Just wanted to follow up on this.
    ...
    Subject: Re: Hillary pizza party April 10
    We just got word that the Secretary will likely be in town one of the first weekends of April for an event in the DC area. Would you and James possibly be available on April 24th? I just want to make sure we space the events far enough apart to make them both successful.
    ...
    Subject: Re: Hillary pizza party April 10
    On the calendar!
    Thanks, all.
    ...
    Hosting pizza party at Belmont for HFA on April 10.
So where are the suspicious mentions of pizza? Remember, a key claim of the conspiracy theory was that "cheese pizza" has the initials "c.p.", which are the initials of "child pornography", but the phrase "cheese pizza" appears nowhere in the Podesta emails. The claim is just made up, as are all the other details of the conspiracy theory.
...and could support the suspicion of some kind of conspiracy.
Where do you see any hint of code in any of the above? Why would John Podesta write in code when he believed his emails private?
I see no reason to change my mind about that.
You had no reason to make up your mind in the first place. The idea appealed to you, so you believed it.
The email you posted is also strange in relation to anything having to do with pizza. It's just odd. If you don't see that oh well.
If you see the email as odd then you should be able to describe what is odd about it. The lines that mention pizza from that email are in the above list, and the one you're talking about is number 7. Podesta's emails about meetings and fundraisers mention pizza a lot. 149 of his emails mention pizza. What's so odd about a handkerchief that seemed to have written on it a map to a pizza place?
I came to a reasonable conclusion long ago and don't want to discuss it any more.
You made up your mind a long time ago, but you never came to a reasonable conclusion. There is no child sex ring being run out of Comet Ping Pong Pizza, Hillary Clinton has no connection to Comet Ping Pong Pizza and she's never been there, and Comet Ping Pong Pizza has no basement out of which the child sex ring was supposedly run. Your persistence in thinking Pizzagate true despite the complete lack of evidence and the debunking of all debunkable claims is just like your persistence in thinking the rapture imminent despite 2000 years of failed predictions, including your own.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 518 of 1677 (841163)
10-08-2018 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 456 by Faith
10-07-2018 1:20 PM


Re: pizza
Faith writes:
It's really very wrong of you to impute motives to a person, oh author of the EvC Rules. I came to the conclusion that the email I saw was strange enough to suggest it wasn't really about pizza. I don't remember anything about "cheese pizza" at all. And the more you accuse me the less interested I am in pursuing the subject which I concluded years ago was "strange enough to suggest it wasn't really about pizza." Period.
In other words you can't provide an ounce of support for anything you said. Same old Faith.
If I manage to fix your auto-logout problem (I admit it seems doubtful at this point) it will be because you provided me evidence and information. If you show the rapture will happen it will be by providing evidence and information. If you demonstrate the truth of Pizzagate it will be by providing evidence and information. Figuring out what is true always works the same way, no matter what it's about.
So if you've got any supporting evidence or information about the truth of the rapture or of Pizzagate then let's hear it instead of posts full of empty words.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 523 of 1677 (841169)
10-08-2018 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 519 by Faith
10-08-2018 5:39 PM


Re: pizza
Faith writes:
I know you don't care, but I don't care either. I came to the conclusion some time ago that the email sounded strange and that's the end of it for me. I did not want to revisit the topic and still don't. No interest whatever. If I came to that conclusion then I'd no doubt come to it again if I took the trouble to retrace the information. PaulK has no right to talk about me as he does in any case and that was how this came up. End of topic for me.
The Rapture is going to happen eventually, the scripture has the information. End of THAT topic too.
Bald and false declarations while ignoring everything said will get you nowhere. If you have nothing of substance to say then could I suggest not posting?
You were wrong about the rapture. That's because you don't know how to recognize accurate information about reality nor how to connect it to meaningful conclusions. The result of your error was that you became even more firmly convinced that you are right, an approach that can only lead you to become even more wrong than you already are.
Say you have two choices of fellow students to be your math tutor. One admits he makes mistakes but consistently gets high grades on tests. The other claims to always be correct but consistently fails the tests. Which one would you choose to be your tutor?
If you make your choice in the same way you want us to decide whether to accept your claims about the rapture, then you'd choose the student who fails the tests.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 528 of 1677 (841205)
10-09-2018 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 524 by Faith
10-08-2018 6:47 PM


Re: pizza
Faith writes:
You really have no idea what you are talking about. I don't care about pizzagate, only about PaulK's attack on me personally, which is the only reason I wanted a reminder of what I'd said. I was very very very clear that I was NOT interested in reviewing the subject otherwise. Now as usual YOU are making a big deal about it anyway and making it MY problem when it is not my problem.
Ah, the Faith kneejerk know-nothing reflex response swings into action again. If you don't want to talk about Pizzagate then don't make false statements about it, because when you do then people are forced to rebut the lies. You seem to be demanding the right to lie without challenge.
As for the Rapture you know even less and like others here apparently have no interest in learning the truth. The Rapture is a biblical promise about the second coming of Jesus, that it will occur when he comes back, and it gives NO timing at all except for general clues to the general "season." It will happen for sure, but the timing is up for grabs. The only thing that failed was my personal guess at the timing. The Rapture is still a promise that will eventually be fulfilled. It may be that when it comes it will be a complete and total surprise to everyone and nobody's guess will be right. All this is quite plain in multiple posts already. The personal slurs against me are really unnecessary, sp it must just be that you all enjoy them too much to give them up.
Repeating your fantasies doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. Who are people to believe? Should they believe someone who is wrong over and over again with a demonstrated inability to connect facts to conclusions, indeed to even recognize valid facts? Or should they believe someone who gets things right? I predict that every prediction about the rapture being imminent will be wrong during the rest of my lifetime, just as they've all been wrong since the time of Christ, and just as yours was wrong. I'll be proven right daily.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : no => know

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Percy
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Message 532 of 1677 (841220)
10-09-2018 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 529 by Faith
10-09-2018 11:48 AM


Re: pizza
Faith writes:
...
Deleting whatever you said and leaving nothing doesn't help your cause. Again and again you have stated how strange the emails were and that there's truth to Pizzagate, then you ignore the presented evidence and arguments and declare you don't want to talk about it anymore. If you don't want to talk about it then you shouldn't continue making statements about it. Instead you continually baldly state your position then say you're done discussing it. Your behavior lacks all honor and decency, something we've come to expect from you. Your inability to behave well ("good works") suggests you are without divine grace, making your eagerness for the rapture hard to understand.
You should either retract the claim, defend it, or stop posting about it. My guess is you'll do none of these.
By the way, you're a schmo, and I refuse to engage in any discussion about this. If you object I'll just repeat again that you're a schmo and refuse to engage in any discussion.
Of course I don't really think you're a schmo, and even if I did I would discuss it with you. But is the point getting across?
Perhaps your problem is that you let your temper be your guide. Or to rework something Asimov said, anger is a frequent response of the incompetent.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 535 of 1677 (841226)
10-09-2018 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by caffeine
10-09-2018 4:35 PM


Re: pizza
caffeine writes:
You should either retract the claim, defend it, or stop posting about it. My guess is you'll do none of these.
I think deleting her post on second thoughts counts as stopping posting about it.
And Lucy might someday let Charlie Brown kick the football.
That is, Faith has no credibility. Look at all the times Faith has declared she's done with a thread because of all the awful and dishonest people and she's not going to post there anymore, and then in no time she's back posting again. What does it say about us if we believe that "..." means she'll stop making Pizzagate allegations going forward? Even if Faith flat out said, "I won't make Pizzagate allegations anymore," should anyone believe her?
Anyway, that's my rationale for not putting a positive spin on "...".
--Percy

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Message 542 of 1677 (841255)
10-10-2018 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 536 by GDR
10-09-2018 8:30 PM


Re: loving God
I thought this was great and wonder what you think of a couple of suggested changes.
What would you think of this:
It becomes about controlling God instead of allowing Him to control us.
Becoming this:
It becomes about controlling God instead of allowing his love to flow through us out into the world.
And would "selflessly" be a better word than "sacrificially" here. If not, why is "sacrificially" the better word:
GDR writes:
Loving others even sacrificially is supposed to be where we find our joy. Your faith is about loving others because ultimately there is a big pay back, meaning that you are never free to love sacrificially.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 543 of 1677 (841256)
10-10-2018 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 538 by GDR
10-10-2018 2:02 AM


Re: loving God
I'm trying to figure out why you would say this, which implies that you have a deep capacity to see love in everyone:
GDR writes:
Faith, I'm not questioning the fact that you are a loving wonderful person, and a wonderful Christian.
When just a message ago you said this:
Nonsense. I know numerous non-Christians who are more Christ-like than a lot of Christians I know.
Which implies much more objectivity.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 604 of 1677 (841568)
10-15-2018 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 601 by ringo
10-15-2018 11:45 AM


Re: loving God
ringo writes:
When something good happens, you give God the credit but when something bad happens, you blame us.
Faith says that if something described in the Bible was done by God or at the behest of God then it is good, even if otherwise it would have been judged bad.
Phat says that if something bad happens then it's our fault or at least we deserved it. If something good happens, God did it.
Combining these two views we reach this conclusion: if anything God does is good then things that seem bad might actually be good, since God might have done them. Since we can never know what God did or didn't do, we can never know whether anything is good or bad.
This is an absurd conclusion and means the original premises are also absurd.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 614 of 1677 (841581)
10-15-2018 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 606 by Faith
10-15-2018 2:03 PM


Re: loving God
Faith writes:
Faith says God is in everything that happens and that He can not act unjustly.
quote:
Psalm 139:7-8 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. {"evil" in the sense of calamity or catastrophe like 9/11}
Amos 3:6 ... shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
You obviously don't know what those passages mean. You must believe in a God who can be both contradictory and true at the same time. You're living in an Alice in Wonderland world where you can believe as many as six impossible things about God before breakfast.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 617 of 1677 (841599)
10-16-2018 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 615 by Faith
10-16-2018 12:25 AM


Re: loving God
Faith writes:
Percy writes:
You obviously don't know what those passages mean. You must believe in a God who can be both contradictory and true at the same time. You're living in an Alice in Wonderland world where you can believe as many as six impossible things about God before breakfast.
Weird. What contradictions?
Like I said, you obviously don't understand the passages. Amazing that this has to be spelled out for you. Here are the passages you quoted again, not that you'll understand them any better, but that you quoted them reinforces the point that your arguments lead to the absurd conclusion that we can never know whether anything is good or bad:
quote:
Psalm 139:7-8 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. {"evil" in the sense of calamity or catastrophe like 9/11}
Amos 3:6 ... shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
For example, God says, "I...create evil." You say whatever God does is good. Therefore evil is good.
Take a bow, Red Queen.
--Percy

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Message 622 of 1677 (841607)
10-16-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 618 by Faith
10-16-2018 9:58 AM


Re: loving God
Faith writes:
Y'all just delight in claiming I'm wrong about my own beliefs, don't you?
We don't claim you're wrong about your own beliefs but that you believe things that are clearly wrong.
Well, I'm not, but it's a lost cause trying to convince people who have no interest in learning anything.
The irony is strong in this one.
Here's the obvious for someone who won't care anyway: the word "evil" in the King James is an old English usage which means calamity, not evil as in the devil's work. And I made that very clear in my quote of course. Modern translations use other words like 'calamity" instead because that's what the original Hebrew means in our modern vocabulary.
Causing calamities is pretty evil.
I made it very clear already though, there should be no need to say anything more, it's just that you all have to pretend you know better than Christians do.
You're again mischaracterizing what is claimed. What we know is that what *you* (not Christians) believe is absurd and contradictory. We also know that error (e.g., your rapture last month) has no influence on the beliefs that led to that error, so your beliefs cannot be based upon things that are true.
God's judgments are justice, that's why they're good. They hurt of course but justice is good.
As has already been pointed out, this leads to the absurd conclusion that evil is good. Your ideas are cuckoo.
--Percy

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