Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity

Faith writes:I put it aside as incomprehensible, which is how I still see it.

They had been asked to bake a cake which said 'Support Gay Marriage' on top. This is a different thing to baking a cake which would be used at a gay wedding.

A similar thing was an important point in Ginsburg and Sotomayer's dissent in Masterpiece Cakeshop. They pointed out that not only did Philips refuse the request before any discussion about what text would be put onto the cake, but in Masterpiece Cakeshop's advertisements none of the wedding cakes have any text or figures or anything that would indicate any kind of marriage.Their point is that without any visible identification about what kind of wedding the cake would go to, the cake itself cannot be considered any kind of message, and so requiring Phillips to create such a cake for a same sex couple in accordance to the state's anti-discrimination laws do not constitute a violation of Phillips' First Amendment rights.

Faith writes:Phillips' conscience was engaged by knowing it was for a gay wedding, and a wedding cake is a very particular item that can be for nothing else than a wedding. He'd have had to work with the two men to design it to their requirements so it would engage him at many levels.

Not that they'd care or anybody else of course, gay marriage is more important than anybody's conscience,

most especially a Christian conscience.

My reading of the UK judgement would make that pretty cleary discrimination. They're refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple only because it will be used at a gay wedding.

Faith writes:My reading was that if they judge against a person's being forced to write something in favor of gay marriage, that they would be equally against forcing a person to provide a special service for a gay wedding, since it is gay marriage which is the thing being refused, not the persons.

Faith writes:I don't think there is even such a thing as a "standard" wedding cake. They are specialty items, custom designed for the occasion to the specifications of the parties to be married.

If it was just a matter of buying a standard cake out of the display case there would be no problem, they could do with it whatever they like.

It's the engagement of the baker in a creative endeavor that is the problem. And it IS about gay marriage, not about the persons.

Faith writes:Exactly. And there's the persecution you want to deny.

Faith writes:I don't think there is even such a thing as a "standard" wedding cake. They are specialty items, custom designed for the occasion to the specifications of the parties to be married.