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Tangle
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Message 1355 of 1484 (841553)
10-15-2018 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1348 by Faith
10-15-2018 3:56 AM


Re: What God said about Marriage
Faith writes:
Christians know it means God ordained marriage between a man and a woman and anything else is against His ordinance.
*Some* Christians *believe* that. However, that's not rhe words in your book. Other Christians believe differently.
Whatever you think, this is what these business owners are acting on.
I know what they're acting on - a set of 2,000 year old folk stories.
I guess you can refuse to accept it and punish them for it, but it's still what they are going to act on whatever you say or do about it.
That's their choice.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tangle
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Message 1358 of 1484 (841582)
10-15-2018 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1357 by Faith
10-15-2018 1:51 PM


Re: What God said about Marriage
Faith writes:
Yeah, well if SOME Christians understand gay marriage to be a violation of those scripture references, who happen to be in fact the ones who refuse to serve a gay wedding, most others not having a problem with it, since they aren't really Christians in my opinion,
SOME, is in fact, the vast majotity. You cooks are a diminishing minority.
but anyway, those who do refuse on the basis of our biblical religion, are the ones targeted by the law.
Nobody, but nobody gives a flying fuck about you and yours. Really. Nobody is targeting anybody. All that's happening is that society is creating laws that give everyone an equal chance.
And I see that you really have no respect whatever for freedom of religion, so we can just throw that biblical ordinance out the window, right?
Well you're half right. I have zero respect for your beliefs. In fact, I have negative respect for them. But I respect your right to have them.
There's only one issue here although it keeps getting twisted out of recognition: either the scripture we regard as God's ordinance of marriage is respected by the secular law as it always used to be, or it isn't and we are headed full bore back to paganism.
Well that's obviously garbage. There didn't 'used to be' secular law; that's a very modern thing, but more importantly, the alternative to your primitive beliefs is not paganism.
All the rest of this nonsensical discussion is irrelevant and should have been over long long ago.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1367 of 1484 (855325)
06-18-2019 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1365 by Faith
06-18-2019 5:19 PM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
Faith writes:
Oh we'll be punished for it. I wonder if they'd put someone my age in a cell for that crime.
Hate to disappoint you yet again Faith, but there's no hope of martyrdom in that direction. You're quite free to say what the hell you like, nobody cares.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 1369 of 1484 (855331)
06-18-2019 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1368 by Faith
06-18-2019 5:43 PM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
Faith writes:
LGBT activists care. A lot.
So? You have a constitutional right to think and say what you like. There's no hope for you there.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 1380 of 1484 (855391)
06-19-2019 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1379 by Faith
06-19-2019 6:49 AM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
Faith writes:
Do your worst.
I think your wish for martyrdom is overly hopeful. Our 'worst' seems to be fining bakers that refuse to serve wedding cakes to gay people just because they're gay.
The thin end of that wedge would require a microscope to find.
No, sorry to disappoint you yet again, we simply can't summon up the enthusiasm to burn you at the stake. Carry on with your daft beliefs, no one cares.
Edited by Tangle, : Spellin'

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 1382 of 1484 (855394)
06-19-2019 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1381 by Faith
06-19-2019 8:11 AM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
Faith writes:
I was responding to AZ's wish to grind my religion back to the stone age and rid society of us. You might pay attention to context.
And I was responding to your love of, and desire for, persecution and martyrdom.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 1384 of 1484 (855396)
06-19-2019 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1383 by Faith
06-19-2019 8:27 AM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
Faith writes:
I'm very detached and objective about it all.
Next time you start screaming in capitals I'll remind you of that statement
You guys are always making up motivations for me; they have nothing whatever to do with me or my motivations.
Sure Faith, and you're not looking forward to armageddon or rapture either.
We know you Faith, we have 10 years of your posts to refer back to if necessary.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 1387 of 1484 (855404)
06-19-2019 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1386 by coffee_addict
06-19-2019 11:08 AM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
Lammy writes:
I fully support christian bakers to be able to refuse service to gays anytime anywhere. To me, freedom of speech and religion is much more important than my feelings.
That's the UK legal position now following a supreme court appeal.
Ashers 'gay cake' row: Bakers win Supreme Court appeal - BBC News
And it's also Peter Tachell's view too - he's the founder of Stonewall and a big gay rights campaigner.
I’ve changed my mind on the gay cake row. Here’s why | Peter Tatchell | The Guardian
I think it's a close call - a difficult balance between rights - but freedom of conscience seems more important than a cake that can be sourced elsewhere.
Tricky line though, where does it stop?
The other case we had was about two gays being turned away from a bed and breakfast place. I think that's a bit harder to defend - it begins to feel more like apartheid. The Supreme Court agrees with me. How about you?
Gay snub Cornish B&B owners lose Supreme Court appeal - BBC News

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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