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Author Topic:   Health 4 Life~The Science Behind Consumption
Tangle
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Message 68 of 128 (830809)
04-07-2018 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Phat
04-07-2018 3:19 PM


Re: I may switch Doctors
It's the internet Phat, you can find anything and anybody you like, if all you want is self-reinforcement.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 70 of 128 (830857)
04-08-2018 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Phat
04-07-2018 4:39 PM


Re: I may switch Doctors
Phat writes:
in this area of study, I am no dummy. I have learned a lot about the science through multiple sources. Additionally, I had a friend who resensitized his insulin response and who lost 100 pounds. You can't refute the science behind low carb, non-insulin approaches to Type II.
I wish you the best, I just fear that within the year you'll be on yet another faddy plan that you are certain of and can find people on the internet that agree with you about.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 80 of 128 (831186)
04-13-2018 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Phat
04-13-2018 5:11 PM


Re: Autophagy, Lo Carb Dieting, and Intermittent Fasting
Phat writes:
Intermittent Fasting can be a useful tool for allowing controlled Autophagy in order to rebuild the cells into better and healthier versions. It should, of course, be supervised by a Doctor.
This is crap, Phat. You've fallen for another pile of shit. I'm really terribly sorry. At least your Christian rubbish was mostly harmless - all these faddy quack cures are going to kill you.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 87 of 128 (831315)
04-15-2018 3:54 AM
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04-15-2018 3:13 AM


Re: Fasting and Lo-Carb Approach to Type II
Phat writes:
those two specific articles do not have that content.
Medical conditions and their treatment are highly complex things. We learned qute a long time ago that individual 'cures' are rarely useful. Modern medicine progresses best through the 'gold standard' tests of double blind trials and meta anaysis.
The best guy I know on the subject of evidence is this chap. He's a guru of 'Bad Science'. Here in a short and funny Ted talk.
Ben Goldacre: Battling bad science | TED Talk

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 89 of 128 (831321)
04-15-2018 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
04-15-2018 11:34 AM


Re: TED Talk by Ben Goldacre
Phat writes:
That was a good talk!
He has a very good web site with lots of interesting stuff.
Bad Science
A certain professor, Christopher Gardner did a studiy on low fat vs low carb diets.
Low Fat or Low Carb? Its A Draw, Study Finds
I'm afraid that gives an error before loading.
But looking at that title, I feel immediately that it's garbage. Bad science.
Why? Because it sounds like a straight shoot out; Carbs vs Fat. What if both are crap? What a study like that needs is a control, a group that's eating a well balanced normal diet and/or the standard diet such paople are advised to use.
How else can you test whether one is an improvement over normal, sensible eating or whether it's better than the standard treatment?
If the trial did that, I apologise to them.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 92 of 128 (841542)
10-15-2018 3:41 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Phat
10-15-2018 3:36 AM


Re: Good Advice
[qs=Phat]My latest effort...
This is your problem.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 94 of 128 (841544)
10-15-2018 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Phat
10-15-2018 3:42 AM


Re: Good Advice
Phat writes:
Yes I know...its a lifestyle change...yada yada yada...but one has to begin somewhere.
Yes, it begins with a realisation that if you want to lose weight permanently you need to eat (and drink) less, take more exercise and eat a sensible balanced diet. And do it over time without obsessing about it. That's it
You're looking for magical solutions that don't work and that you change every few months. You'll just get fatter while you sit on your arse googling for the next fad diet to make you feel as though you're doing something.
The yada, yada, yada bit is the important bit.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 99 of 128 (841583)
10-15-2018 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
10-15-2018 9:29 AM


Re: Good Advice
Phat writes:
Why must you be so critical?
Because I'm not your actual friend, I'm just some guy on the internet. I can say things that your real friends might not. I realise it's normal to cheer effort and and all that stuff but if you're not interested in impartial opinion, it's best not to publish your life on an internationally public forum.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 105 of 128 (841774)
10-21-2018 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Phat
10-21-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Science and Emotions
Phat writes:
I can never imagine letting go that much....because if God did not exist, reality itself is a cruel, uncaring, and harsh mistress...and gives no hope to anyone.
Well of course, that's why gods had to be invented. Can you imagine what it was like 2,000 years ago? People then couldn't even imagine the luxuriousness and absurd privileges of your life now. You know, veil of tears and all that.
Odd sort of thing for a loving god to inflict on his children don't you think?
But at least we're making a good fist of improving things for ourselves.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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