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Hieyeck
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Message 32 of 97 (8094)
04-02-2002 11:22 AM


This Adam and Eve thing raises a biggie for me... What were the mutations that resulted from incest (other than life span)? Current mutations involve extra limbs, eyes, etc. Did they look like giant snakes? How did different skin colors come to be? The only explanation is evolution.
And a few new ones...
-If God is all forgiving, why is there a hell at all?
-If heaven is so good, why not just kill yourself?
-Doesn't killing animals for food constitute a violation of the First Commandment (i might be wrong on this, the one that says 'Thou shalt not kill')
-Even in the Bible there is alot of killing (Cain killing Abel, etc.). Again, violation of the 1st Command.?
Could God have rather created the first ameobas and let us evolve? Could aliens have planted life on Earth (
)?Science has failed to provide a reasonable explination to how life started...

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Hieyeck
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Message 34 of 97 (8122)
04-02-2002 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by TrueCreation
04-02-2002 6:02 PM


quote:
"-Doesn't killing animals for food constitute a violation of the First Commandment (i might be wrong on this, the one that says 'Thou shalt not kill')"
--The problem is that this is out of context.
ah, but is it really too hard to believe that though animals may not have complex thoughts, that they are also living beings that are self-aware? I don't suppose you've watched a show called 'The Outer Limits'. I don't watch it often, but when I do catch it, I'd watch it over anything. Anyways, my point is that some of the stories they tell make you think about the 'because humans are superior to animals' thing if you apply some of the morals they present. I'm a vegetarian myself, and my personal belief is that "They didn't harm me, let alone kill me, why should I kill them?" There's also the proverb, "Do unto others as others would do unto you." (He he, cows going super-intelligent and superstrong wasting the enitre human civilization is a funny picture, but that's not gonna happen. What I mean by bring up teh proverb is that it'll come back to you in some other way)
Besides, what's so great about eating flesh? Vegetarians live 33% longer lives (that's if you want to live a long life), remain healthier, and the list goes on. And the 'lack of protein' is a fable. 40% of a soya bean is protein compared to eggs (17%), and beef (<10%). On average, beans are just less than 30% protein so eating 1.5lbs of beans give you just as much as 5lbs of beef (this is before cooking the beef, you lose about 1-5% of it depending on how you cook it). AND, I don't need to worry about animal borne diseases.
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"If heaven is so good, why not just kill yourself?"
--Because God gave you existance so that you would have a life, and that life to serve the lord, if you wish to not have faith in God, then yes, kill yourself, though you will not enter the kingdom of heaven out of such selfishness, this is simply what suicide is.
Then where would you goto? Like I already asked before isn't God all-forgiving?
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"The only explanation is evolution."
--Yup, I guess so! After all, evolution does mean 'change' right? Please run this past me once more, how does this falsify anything in Creationism?
I'm not trying to falsify creationsim, in fact I believe in creationism since there is no theory on how life started. I just don't believe the story that the Bible gives
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"Adam and Eve thing raises a biggie for me... What were the mutations that resulted from incest (other than life span)? Current mutations involve extra limbs, eyes, etc. Did they look like giant snakes?"
--I don't see what your implying and how is it relevant?
I'm not implying anything, just something to peak the imagination.
[This message has been edited by Hieyeck, 04-02-2002]

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Hieyeck
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Message 37 of 97 (8157)
04-03-2002 7:22 PM


fish has flesh, therefore fish = meat.
why do somemany people consider fish vegetarian?
Yeah some of the synth meat taste like feces. However, if you buy some Chinese vegetarian food, they taste much better. Try a Chinese vegetarian or a Buddhist restaurant. I'm not a pure vegetarian (vegan) myself, i drink milk and eat eggs once in a while (from pasta, bread, flapjacks, etc.)
and as for living 33% longer, they do (on average of course). Chinese had a very long life span about 750 years ago. They lived to about 60-70, barring war of course. This was because meat was a luxury in old China (too much grain to raise a cow, etc.), so they only ate it on New Year's. (Pork was a bit more common, cuz pigs ate all the leftovers
.)

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Hieyeck
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Message 43 of 97 (8194)
04-04-2002 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by techristian
04-03-2002 9:26 PM


I not denying that you need more than just a diet, but i'm not gonna argue THIS anymore. It should belong in the coffee house.
Have you noticed how Christianity keeps on moving the goalpoasts?
Anyways
1. FOR THE SECOND TIME, ITS JUST TO PEAK THE IMAGINATION. GEEZ-US (har har har).
2. The Bible claims that Adam is the first male. therefore, he had no grandparents. PERIOD. and if he had all those genes, the current human DNA won't be able to hold all the information. This would mean that we are negatively evolving (there is no such thing as devolving, as there is no decceleration - basic physics, if you don't know go back to school)
3. When did I say anything about order? In fact the only order there can be is a 0 degrees kelvin.
4. wow. i'm being preached to. could it strike you that I know that Christianity is a holey religion? (pun intended)
5. As a matter of fact i oppose abortion to. i oppose all destruction of life. i know i said i eat eggs, but those are unfertilized eggs and are therefore not living.
6. [sarcasm]Enlighten me.[/sarcasm] I'm not Christian. Sue me.(I get the feeling that we're getting preached to. Will this person stop the preaching?)
7. [sarcasm] Yeah it'll oxidize. Also they will assemble themselves. There is a common force called gravity (this force is not a manipulation of God..). Maybe not correctly, but it'll still assemble. [/sarcasm] Teh key to evolution is change in the DNA. car parts do not have DNA. (I'm getting the feeling that these questions are being posted with no knowledge whatsoever. Will this person WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SCIENTIFIC COFFEE? [yeah yeah i know its morning])
8. no comment
9. WTF OMG(hm... lol) BBQ MPH BTU AMU! Yes there is proof of life. meteor from mars. fossilized primitive organisms. Ever watch "Mission to Mars"? great movie. neways, maybe not from Mars, but my point is the basic idea of life being planeted. (the fossils from mars bore a resembalance to fossils on Earth. if the planting thing is true, could mars have also been seeded?) Could Earth be a computer to question the ultimate question? heh heh heh, Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy is hilarious.
quote:
There is no real proof of ET. It take a FAITH to believe such nonsense.
There is no real proof of GOD. It take a FAITH to believe such nonsense.

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Hieyeck
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Message 51 of 97 (8416)
04-10-2002 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by techristian
04-05-2002 9:27 AM


And he complains about me not reading his replies...
By your defintion of robots, humans are also robots. our thoughts are nothign more than a whole bunch of chemivcal reactions. we neeed to be told by chemicals what to do. And yu can't compare autofactory robots to humans. their capcity for memorization is nowhere close to ours. the largest hard drives these days are limited to about 1 terabyte, and that's only an IBM experimental hard drive. Free will is nothing more than to choose. Every living thing makes a choice. they all choose to live. Only two things are certain in life: death and choices. (don't say taxes, if you CHOOSE not to pay them you just get thrown in jail).
so sue my for using cain and abel. i'm not a Christian. i'm relying on 10 year old knowledge from when i went to catholic school (just because it was close and my parents didn't want to drive me to school) and from whatever is posted ont teh forums. Christianity is also evil, you always have to bow your head, it give you a bad neck. And stop using hell, the Pope already said there wasn't any hell.
TRIVIA - the devil is actually based on the deer. it was created to scare people from paegan religions, where the deer is a sign of fertility. Betcha didn't know that!
I ALREADY SAID, DNA IS THE KEY TO EVOLUTION. GET THAT THOURGH YOUR THICK SKULL (guess god made a mistake with your head). CAR PARTS DO NOT HAVE DNA. GEEZUS FOG.
1. again basic science - cells breath through a semi-permeable shell, breathing is just a more efficient way of gather large amounts of oxygen for the inner cells.
2.photosynthesis. or do they not teach that in the states?
3. cell division, check out your sperm.

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