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ringo
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Message 49 of 63 (841470)
10-13-2018 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Faith
10-13-2018 1:04 PM


Re: correction of fact
Faith writes:

... if the law put him to death it would leave the woman without any prospect of ever marrying, and bearing the stigma of the rape for the rest of her life.


That seems like more of a reflection on the society of the time than anything else. We don't stigmatize robbery victims. Why would we stigmatize rape victims or be reluctant to marry them?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 52 of 63 (841473)
10-13-2018 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
10-13-2018 1:24 PM


Re: correction of fact
Faith writes:

But I think you are being rather short-sighted if you don't recognize just how recently our own societies stigmatized the victim of rape or other kinds of abuse and misfortune, and certainly had no mercifal agencies in place to help them.


I do recognize that. It's still going on, although to a lesser extent. Any improvement on the part of society has been despite references to "God's law" rather than because of them.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 54 of 63 (841475)
10-13-2018 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Faith
10-13-2018 1:41 PM


Re: correction of fact
Faith writes:

It is fallen nature that causes all the injustice and mercilessness in any society.


What I'm saying is that the improvement in society's attitude seems to come from the secular side. Those who dwell on "God's law" seem to exhibit more fallenness, not less. Indeed, some of them seem to revel in being fallen.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 56 of 63 (841481)
10-13-2018 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Faith
10-13-2018 2:35 PM


Re: correction of fact
Faith writes:

There is really no such thing as a "secular" body of thought though, that is not ultimately derived from God's Law....


My point being that the secular derivations are an improvement on "God's law" - and one of the major obstacles to further improvements is those who cling to "God's law" as if it was already perfect.

Faith writes:

In any case law is only needed in a fallen world....


Law is only needed in a real world. Reality itself is not an indicator of any "fall". The real indications are of improvement in societal attitudes, despite your predictions and/or wishes.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 62 of 63 (841653)
10-17-2018 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
10-16-2018 8:45 AM


Re: sexual freedom?
Faith writes:

If society weren't whipping us up via the "sexual freedom" movement, to indulge these things in the first place, there might not be as much of a struggle.


Actually, sexual freedom makes us more responsible, not less. Instead of just doing something (or avoiding something) because God sez so, we're encouraged to use the knowledge of good and evil to understand the consequences when we decide what's right or wrong.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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