Importance of Original Sin

I'm just pointing out how your belief makes no sense. Fine. But you're throwing out the evidence that you do have. You claim to believe in Jesus but you throw out everything He taught. You mock the Bible as a dusty old book even though it's the only reason you have to believe that Jesus ever existed.

It really is though. You did. You've spent much of this thread arguing against what Jesus said. Nonsense. As I've told you over and over and over and over, Jesus just happened to get it right. If He was wrong, I'd say so. Either way, I'm not going to stand by and watch you and Faith pervert the Bible for your own ends.And I don't have any "crony socialists".

We all do. The apostle Paul even said so. Whether it's from nature or nurture, we all have those "social instincts" that put survival of the species ahead of individual selfish interests - unless we're sociopaths or psychopaths or we've had the goodness trained out of us by Pharisees or other Fundamentalists.Edited by ringo, : Spellinge.

It's an objective message - it's agreed on by most humans and it works; it makes life better. The "premise" that the message supersedes the messenger is bloody obvious. And you know it's true. You don't throw away your bills and keep the envellope. So why do you even bring it up? No, you're arguing against the closest thing we have to objective evidence of what Jesus taught.

One that you made up in your head, one that has little relationship to reality or to the character in the book - even though you have borrowed the name from the character in the book. That's what I've always said. We all have the message. We don't need a made-up character to bring us a message that we already have.

Well yes, confirmation bias tends to confirm your biases, not challenge them. As you said yourself, there's no reason to think otherwise. Why is blessing me with favours important?

When a shepherd pulls a sheep out of a ditch, it's for his own purposes, not the sheep's. Sometimes the sheep gets eaten.

Do you have a point? That doesn't seem to be a reply to my post at all.

Yes, the millions of Muslims are a compelling reason to believe that there is no god but Allah and that Mohammed is his prophet.

Your claim, in Message 1152, was that millions of believers is a reason to believe that God exists. How do you tell the evil and idiotic millions from the reasonable millions?

Funny, Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:16-20)

How about your treatment of homosexuals?

Of course you do. You want to deny them marriage. That isn't loving your neighbour as yourself.

No it isn't. Consider the Good Samaritan. He helped his neighbour even though his neighbour's beliefs conflicted with his own.

It has to do with your beliefs. You've stated more than once that you're willing to defy the law because of your belief that homosexuality is wrong. Loving your neighbour as yourself doesn't stop at emergency services. If you want to get to church, you will help your neighbour get to mosque - or to his gay wedding.