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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
I guess the real question may be just how much longer she wants to be at the helm? She isn't getting any love from the EU bureaucrats and she is getting continuously scrutinized by her own party. I am wondering if she will eventually throw in the towel if there isn't any kind of cohesive coalition that allows her to make a deal with the EU.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1348 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
She looks set to survive the week now. The conservative MPs seem to think that Theresa May remains the person best placed to drive us over the cliff edge. Apparently the alternatives are even less appealing than she is. The problem with the British Commons at the moment as I see it, is that there is a clear majority against remaining in the EU; and a clear majority against the kind of total separation from the European market favoured by Johnson and ilk; but no majority in favour of any compromise between these two positions. I see no solution.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
but no majority in favour of any compromise between these two positions. I see no solution. The currency markets seem to be echoing that sentiment. Just before Brexit, the Pound-Sterling was 1.5:1 against the US dollar. It now sits at 1.28:1. I am guessing that the markets in general are foreshadowing a hard Brexit. I am not seeing a lot of optimism on a deal being ratified.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
The last Pre-Brexit general election saw a vote for a conservative outright majority, and the campaign message from Cameron was that a conservative majority would be the strongest force to keep the U.K.in the E.U.
Vote conservative for a united front against the UKIP. Back then, both major parties were anti-Brexit. Then the 52-48 vote for Brexit came in June of 2016. Then look at the ugly post-Brexit general election choice. 2 pro-Brexit choices. Yuck.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 389 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Back in 2015 the election was all about debt, deficit and austerity with the conservarive’s pledge to have an in-out EU referendum forced on them by the fear of losing votes to UKIP. I know lots of people who voted conservative in that election who are now aghast at us leaving the EU but who don’t make the connection between that vote and where we are now.
2017 election both main parties took the ‘will of the people’ and ‘respecting the referendum’ line. At that point I think it would have been difficult not to. Now, as the shit show unfolds in all its manifest glory, I think things are shifting towards a dawning realisation of how bad it’s going to be. But too little too late. The hardcore Brexit voters have changed their tune from saying how easy and economically advantageous leaving will be to now talking in terms of patriotic principle (what price freedom and sovereignty?) and Dunkirk spirit in overcoming the near future hardships leaving will bring. I’m attempting to get a Spanish passport....
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1348 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
I’m attempting to get a Spanish passport.... Irish application in process. Slightly more pressing for me since no one seems to have any idea what my legal residency status will be come March.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8712 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
now talking in terms of patriotic principle (what price freedom and sovereignty?) and Dunkirk spirit in overcoming the near future hardships leaving will bring. Kinda like the duffus that shoots himself in the kneecap but is willing to suffer the years of pain, decades of handicap and lifetime of shame just to keep his guns. But what am I complaining about. Over here we yanks shot ourselves in the head and are now revelling in the stupidity of that action with further calls for more bullets.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Looks like May and her advisers have a draft of a potential new deal that seems to have been endorsed by the EU representatives. Now she has to get it to pass in parliament:
quote: Theresa May seeks cabinet backing for Brexit plan - BBC News The more right wing conservatives could still try to block it. But it definitely appears as though they may be on the verge of an agreement that satisfies Brussels.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18059 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
The big issue is the Irish backstop which is handled by keeping the entire UK in the Customs Union until the Irish border is sorted. That may appease the Unionists but the Brexiteers will hate it. Especially as the U.K. can’t unilaterally end it, as they wanted
I doubt that they will be happy about the 21 month transition period - or that there is an option to extend it - either.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9633 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Woops, Brexit Secretary has resigned. Now it'll get sticky.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Interesting times ahead.
It's basically 'may the road come up to meet your face' for everyone (no pun intended for Theresa or Jeremy or Boris or Joe or Nigel or any other politician). Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Oh and Jeremy. He's been awfully quiet. His party is just as divided and most of his party's staunchest Labour seats got HUGE majorities for Brexit and HUGE majorities against Brexit (Trump speak). Jeremy is too scared to say anything.
It's going to be fun and games. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18059 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
In addition to Raab, Vara (Minister of State at the Northern Ireland Office) and McVey (Work and Pensions Secretary) have resigned. Vara went before Raab.
The Brexiteers are pulling out. The next question is whether they will try to replace May or just vote down the deal.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I don't think that a deal satisfying most people can be reached. Their only realistic long-term deal that can work is for Britain to abandon Northern Ireland.
Then years of violence in Northern Ireland and bombs in London till the Catholics in Northern Ireland can outbreed the Protestants in years to come and become a majority in about 20 to 30 years as current figures show will happen. That's about it. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18059 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I called it nearly a year ago. Message 238
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